Terri DiMatteo is a NJ Licensed Professional Counselor (LPC) who specializes in helping couples and individuals reduce conflict, tension, or disconnect in their relationships, via virtual online therapy sessions. If you’ve ever been curious about what a Licensed Professional Counselor does, how counseling can help you, and you want to learn some simple but effective techniques to…
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During the COVID-19 pandemic, Newark Working Kitchens (NWK) was launched in an effort to keep Newark’s local restaurants open and Brick City residents fed. This initiative was powered by Audible, the major online audiobook and podcast service, which has its headquarters in Newark. Just last month, Audible launched a new meal delivery service app, called “NWK Delivers (NWKD).” The app was created to continue and expand the work of Newark Working Kitchens. Aisha Glover, VP of Urban Innovation at Audible…
Read moreArmor For Sleep - New Music and New Tour Coming to NJ, PA, NY
Next week, NJ emo/rock legends Armor For Sleep will be sharing the stage with Dashboard Confessional and Andrew McMahon in the Wilderness, playing a series of shows in NJ, PA, and NY as part of the Hello Gone Days tour. Armor For Sleep recently released a new single entitled “How Far Apart”, off of their upcoming album The Rain Museum, which drops September 9th via Equal Vision Records…
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Green Day’s American Idiot, the musical based off of the band’s 2004 album of the same title, hit Broadway in April 2010 and went on to win 2 Tony Awards. Now, American Idiot is coming to Asbury Park, New Jersey, with a largely New Jersey-based cast and crew. Produced by Asbury Park Theater Company in association with Remember Jones Productions, the show will premiere on Friday, July 1st, 2022 at the Kingsley Theater…
Read moreInterview with Mistine
On June 30th, New Jersey pop/rock artist Mistine will be releasing her debut EP, “Fade”, on all streaming platforms. Having toured with such pop acts as Conan Gray, WizTheMC, and Zeph, Mistine is ready to share her new nostalgia-inspired tunes with the world. She’s already released two singles from her EP (“Temporary Feeling” and “Everett Park”), both of which have over 24,000 plays on Spotify…
Read moreCelebrating Jersey Pride in Asbury Park (RECAP)
By Sonia Schnee | Posted Saturday, June 11, 2022
On Sunday, June 5th, the sun was shining and the weather was a comfortable 70-something degrees as Asbury Park hosted New Jersey’s 30th Annual Statewide LGBTQ+ Pride Celebration. Jersey Indie photographer David Ross Lawn was on the scene capturing moments from the parade, which featured “floats, decorated vehicles, marching bands, and enthusiastic marchers “ (learn more at jerseypride.org).
A thank you to David and to the parade participants (see names/descriptions below).
Happy Pride Month!
(Click on a photo to enlarge it.)
Parade Participants
(signed up as of 6/1/22. See more at jerseypride.org/the-parade)
180 Turning Lives Around - “180 Turning Lives Around empowers survivors and families affected by domestic violence and sexual assault to find the courage and strength to turn their lives around. 180 is a registered 501(c)(3) non-profit organization and receives financial support from individuals, government and civic agencies, faith-based organizations, corporations, and foundations. Gifts to 180 are tax-deductible to the full extent possible under IRS regulations.” Learn more at https://180nj.org/
3WheeledMotion - “It's not just a ride, it's a lifestyle.” Learn more at https://www.instagram.com/3wheeledmotion
Atlantic Shores offshore wind - “Charting the course for offshore wind energy solutions on the Atlantic Coast.” Learn more at https://www.atlanticshoreswind.com/
Atonement Lutheran Church - “The Evangelical Lutheran Church of the Atonement in Asbury Park is a congregation of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. We are a Reconciling In Christ congregation welcoming people of all sexual orientations and gender identities.” Learn more at https://atonementlutheranchurch.com/
Bank of America - “The power to build connections, one story at a time.” Learn more at https://about.bankofamerica.com/en
Barnegat High School Gender/Sexuality Alliance - “The Gender/Sexuality Alliance at Barnegat High School serves two purposes:
The first is to create a safe environment for student self-expression. This includes celebration of students' achievements - regardless of their gender or sexual identity - and support for anyone who encounters struggles related to their interpersonal relationships and sense of self.
The second is to help educate others in our community so that we can foster an overall atmosphere of understanding and mutual acceptance. “ Learn more at https://www.barnegatschools.com/domain/1675
BCIT GLOW Club - Burlington County Institute of Technology. “GLOW is a student driven Gender and Sexuality Alliance that meets twice monthly socially and to discuss the atmosphere of the school in regards to tolerance and acceptance of all students no matter their diversity. GLOW's mission is to provide a safe and accepting place for all students to be themselves without fear of judgement, harassment, intimidation or bullying. “ Learn more: https://sites.google.com/burlcoschools.org/glowclub/home
Bergen Community College LGBTQIA+ Alliance - "Bergen Community College seeks to create an open, accepting, and affirming environment for LGBTQ+ individuals on our campus. With this Center we hope to provide a space where individuals can access resources, increase communication to our LGBTQ+ population on campus, provide opportunities for connection (learn about Bergen PRIDE, our LGBTQ+ Alliance), learn about safe space trainings for faculty, staff and students and meet the growing community of faculty and staff who made a commitment to be an active ally for our LGBTQ+ community on campus. This Center seeks to foster an inclusive and engaged campus environment, supportive of sexual orientation, gender identity, and gender expression for all members of this community on campus and in the larger community.” Learn more at https://bergen.edu/student-life/virtual-lgbtq-center/
Bristol-Myers Squibb Company - “We are a global biopharmaceutical company whose mission is to discover, develop and deliver innovative medicines that help patients prevail over serious diseases.” Learn more at https://www.bms.com/
Brown’s Heating, Cooling & Plumbing - “FAMILY-OWNED HEATING, A/C & PLUMBING SERVICE Celebrating nearly 50 YEARS of serving Monmouth & Ocean counties in NJ!” Learn more at https://www.brownshc.com/
Church of the Precious Blood LGBTQ Ministry - “The Church of the Precious Blood's LGBT Faith Sharing Ministry welcomes and supports lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) Catholic persons, their family and friends. We will share our faith through prayer, social justice and dialogue […] We seek to engage the larger community in recognizing that we are all members of God's family nad that we each have a place at the Table of the Lord. ALL ARE WELCOME - whether you are LGBT, have an LGBT family member or loved one or just want to know more about this ministry, please know that YOU are welcome!” Learn more at https://churchofthepreciousblood.org/105
City of Asbury Park - Learn more at https://www.cityofasburypark.com/
ConnectiveRX - “Healthcare is a very human experience. We make the prescription part as pain free as possible.” Learn more at https://www.connectiverx.com/
CrossFit Speakeasy - “Welcome to Crossfit Speakeasy. THE JERSEY SHORE’S PREMIERE CROSSFIT GYM. Rob Blake opened CrossFit Speakeasy in the beginning of 2013. Exactly two years later, Emmy Simpkins came on as a partner. Together, we strive to provide high quality coaching, programming and facilities to help you reach your health goals. Our 3,000 sq. ft. space is located in the heart of Belmar, NJ on 8th Ave., just half a mile from the beach. Our facility is equipped with bathrooms, showers, day care services and many different programs to fit your busy schedule.” Learn more at http://www.crossfitspeakeasy.com/
Crystal Head Vodka - “Creativity is at the heart of everything we do. It is why we craft the purest, smoothest vodka with one of a kind packaging and imaginative thinking. Crystal Head uses only the highest-quality ingredients to create unique expressions of ultra-premium vodka that are completely additive-free. Original, crafted from locally sourced Canadian corn, Aurora, crafted from English wheat, and Onyx, crafted from Blue Weber agave. We do it for all the creative spirits who think differently—to inspire them in their creative pursuits and to bring out their creativity, without compromise. Unlike other vodka brands, Crystal Head views the world differently, without limitations.
The Crystal Head bottle was designed with the creative spirit in mind by creative people. Together, Dan Aykroyd and John Alexander designed the iconic skull shaped bottle as a symbol of life, reflecting power and enlightenment. Only the best to hold their multi-award-winning spirit.
#VodkaForTheCreativeSpirit” Learn more at https://www.crystalheadvodka.com/age_check
Dragonslair - “DRAGONSLAIR Productions is a community-driven production company bringing you contests, fundraising events, and more to enhance the lifestyle we work for and deserve.
DRAGONSLAIR is another success in the partnership of Sal Susino & Dion Daly, life partners for over 35 years. The two have been instrumental in community organizing and fundraising since the mid 1980s, when they organized the first AIDS fundraiser in Asbury Park at The Odyssey.
Over the years Daly & Susino have been involved with and co-founded several gay, HIV, and leather organizations including the first NAMES Project AIDS Memorial Quilt chapter in NJ, and The Promethean Guard.
Together with Tom Harrison whom they have loved and mentored for over a decade, they produce the Mr. & Ms NJ Leather Contests and the annual Foreplay block party, as well as a number of other events throughout the year. During the duration of their New Jersey Leather efforts, thousands of dollars have been raised for a diverse multitude of local and national charities.” Learn more at https://www.facebook.com/groups/135553116484243
Eaton Corporation - “Powering Business Worldwide. We make what matters work.*
*Developing more efficient, sustainable power management solutions that meet the ever-changing needs of our world.” Learn more at https://www.eaton.com/us/en-us.html
Edison Energy - “Accelerate your decarbonization journey. At Edison Energy, our mission is to create a sustainable, resilient, and equitable net zero future.” Learn more: https://www.edisonenergy.com/
EWR4 Glamazon - “Glamazon helps Amazon be a great place to work by educating and informing employees about the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, and/or Queer (LGBTQ+) community and opportunities. The group mentors fellow employees (both LGBTQ+ and allies) and promotes diversity, equity, and inclusion. Amazon is more visible within the LGBTQ+ community-at-large by sponsoring events and PRIDE around the globe. Glamazon supported the creation of a Transgender Toolkit for managers and employees to use when going through a gender transition in the workplace. In 2019, thanks to the efforts of glamazon working with leaders across the company, we were honored again to receive a 100 Score on the HRC Corporate Equality Index, a US benchmarking tool on corporate policies and practices pertinent to LGBTQ employees.” Learn more: https://www.aboutamazon.com/affinity-groups
FLAGGOTS - “The original FLAGGOTS of NYC, Philadelphia and NJ has been entertaining audiences with a unique sense of pride since 1991.” Learn more: https://www.facebook.com/groups/71117477175/
Fourth Wave Studios DBA 10PRL - “🎥Studio Rentals 🎉 Event Space 🎞 Productions 🏢6500 Sqft 🎆Cyc Wall 💃🏻Dance Studio @10prl_events 🎉 @10prl_productions 🎞” Learn more: https://www.10prl.com/
Friday Nite Specials - "The Friday Nite Specials Cast. Bringing you the full Rocky Horror Picture Show experience every other Friday at 10pm! Basie Center Cinemas, 36 White Street, Red Bank, NJ." Learn more: https://www.rockyhorrornj.com/
Fulfill NJ - FoodBank of Monmouth and Ocean Counties - “Fulfill’s mission is to alleviate hunger and build food security in Monmouth & Ocean Counties and to make sure that all people at all times have access to enough nutritious food to maintain an active and healthy life.” Learn more: https://fulfillnj.org/
Garden State Equality - “Garden State Equality is the largest LGBTQ+ advocacy organization in New Jersey, with over 150,000 members. Established in 2004, we are now one of the most successful statewide LGBTQ+ civil rights organizations in the nation […] Our services include advocacy, policy work, and trainings. We work to address safe environments for youth, improvement of health services that meet LGBTQ+ community needs, and respectful treatment of seniors. Beyond that, Garden State Equality supports New Jersey’s activist community by bringing an LGBTQ+ lens to the shared struggle for justice.” Learn more: https://www.gardenstateequality.org/
Gay Officers Action League New York - “Serving LGBTQ Law Enforcement, Criminal Justice Professionals from all agencies, and the LGBTQIA+ community with pride since 1982.” Learn more: https://www.goalny.org/
Georgie’s Bar - “GEORGIES: AN ASBURY TRADITION SINCE 1999. For almost 20 years, Georgie's has been a stronghold for the LGBTQ community of Asbury Park and the surrounding shore area. Now that we are coming into our third decade, Georgies will remain dedicated to our patrons, our various charities, and the greater Asbury Park community.” Learn more: https://georgiesbarap.com/
Good Boy Training - “We are a dog lover, just like you. Positive reinforcement training is an extremely important practice to me and one of my top priorities as a pet trainer. Having worked with many adult dogs who struggle with anxiety and reactivity issues, I have a special passion for working with puppies to prevent these issues from developing in the first place. My goal is to provide you with the tools you need to have the dog of your dreams." Learn more: https://goodboytrainingasbury.com/
Hackensack Meridian Health - “Hackensack Meridian Health is a leading not-for-profit health care organization that is the most comprehensive and truly integrated health care network in New Jersey, offering a complete range of medical services, innovative research and life-enhancing care. The health care network comprises 13 hospitals, including two academic medical centers, two children’s hospitals and nine community hospitals, physician practices, more than 120 ambulatory care centers, surgery centers, home health services, long-term care and assisted living communities, ambulance services, lifesaving air medical transportation, fitness and wellness centers, rehabilitation centers, and urgent care and after-hours centers.” Learn more: https://www.hackensackmeridianhealth.org/en
Hamilton United Methodist Church - "The Hamilton United Methodist Church is a church living out "God's Love In Action". Whether you are a lifelong United Methodist or have never stepped foot in a church before (or anywhere in between) you will find a home away from home within this community. For the time being we are living out our Methodist covenant to "do no harm" and have decided to offer worship both online and in-person, with safe practices in place." Learn more: https://www.hamiltonumc1.org/
Henry Hudson Regional School Gender & Sexuality Alliance - Learn more: https://hhrs.tridistrict.org/
Horizon Blue Cross Blue Shield of New Jersey - ”Our Mission: We empower our members to achieve their best health.” Learn more: https://www.horizonblue.com/
In God’s Image, Church of the Sacred Heart - “We welcome all who join us for worship and invite you to become part of our parish family. We encourage you to full and active participation in our parish life. New members are asked to register by contacting the Parish Center.” Learn more: https://www.churchofthesacredheart.net/in-gods-image/
Labcorp PRIDE ERGs - Learn more: https://www.labcorp.com/unique-perspectives/blog/meet-wayne-leading-newest-chapter-our-pride-employee-resource-group
Liberty Mutual Insurance Company - “Since 1912, we've grown our organization into the sixth largest global property and casualty insurer - based on 2020 gross written premium - by maintaining our commitment to the belief that progress happens when people feel secure. At Liberty Mutual Insurance we work hard every day to support our customers and our people, so they can protect their families, build their businesses and invest in their futures.
We are headquartered in Boston, but our people, our customers and our reach span the globe. So to better serve our global customers and employees, we are organized into three business units.” Learn more: https://www.libertymutual.com/
M&T Bank - “We were founded as Manufacturers and Traders Bank. Today, M&T Bank is one of the top 20 banks in the nation, but we operate as a community bank committed to strengthening the areas we serve.
As we have grown, our approach to banking has not changed. We are actively involved in our communities and focused on understanding our customers' needs.” Learn more: https://www3.mtb.com/
Make it Better for Youth INC - "Our Mission: The Monmouth County Consortium for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer and Questioning Youth is a non-profit organization of concerned and determined educators, community leaders, arts and cultural organizations, businesses and individuals who are pooling resources and ideas to make it better with education, outreach, and social opportunities for our LGBTQ youth." Learn more: https://makeitbetter4youth.org/
Mando Mercs Costume Club: Raquor’daan Clan NJ - “NJ Chapter of the Mandalorian Mercs Costume Club. A Lucas Film/Disney Recognized, international Costumed Star Wars Charity Organization 100% Volunteers” Learn more: https://mandalorianmercs.org/
Mental Health Association in New Jersey - “The Mental Health Association in New Jersey is a statewide non-profit organization that strives for children and adults to achieve victory over mental health and substance use disorders through advocacy, education, training, and services.” Learn more: https://www.mhanj.org/
Merck - “We use the power of leading-edge science to save and improve lives around the world.” Learn more: https://www.merck.com/
Miss Gay New Jersey Association - “The MGNJA, Inc. is the oldest, longstanding Drag Entertainment organization in New Jersey. While its primary purpose is to raise monies for the Beacon Light Fund (BLF) it continues to successfully empower the performance art of drag entertainment.” Learn more: http://beaconlightfund.org/missgaynj/
Middletown Reformed Church - “We are a church committed to social justice, living out the command to do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with our God. We are a church on the side of love for all God’s people – providing for those who are in need, advocating for all oppressed peoples, and caring for our earth – we love because God first loved us.
This is what you will experience when you worship with us. You will immediately feel welcomed, not only by our greeters, but also by the Spirit of God that is hovering ever-present in our church and among our congregation. You will be moved by our music, at times traditional, but then, at other times, a bit more eclectic. You will be stirred by the liturgy, and you will be challenged and affirmed by the sermons. If you have young ones in your family, you will find one of the most vibrant children and youth programs in New Jersey. Finally, you will find fellowship and kindred spirits during our after worship coffee hour. All of this is to say, you will feel a sense of belonging . . . you will feel God's unconditional Love.” Learn more: http://www.mrchurch.us/
Miss’d America Organization - “A not-to-be-missed entertainment event, the Miss’d America Pageant started in 1994 at a local Atlantic City club and was created as a spoof of the world-famous Miss America Pageant to raise funds for a local charity.
It took place annually on the night after that famous beauty pageant, the joke being that the drag performers ‘missed’ getting into the real pageant at Boardwalk Hall. It ended in 2005 and was absent from Atlantic City for nearly five years, before making its triumphant return on January 31, 2010 and has grown larger and more spectacular every year since.” Learn more: https://missdamerica.org/
Mondelez - "Empowering People to Snack Right. Mondelēz International empowers people to snack right in over 150 countries around the world. We're leading the future of snacking with iconic global and local brands such as Oreo, belVita and LU biscuits; Cadbury Dairy Milk, Milka and Toblerone chocolate; Sour Patch Kids candy and Trident gum." Learn more: https://www.mondelezinternational.com/United-States
Motion City Media - “Marketing Solutions Motion City Media develops compelling multimedia solutions to help elevate real estate marketing efforts. We approach every project with one clear cut goal in mind: Create persuasive images that cause potential buyers to fall in love before they ever step foot in a home. With an extensive marketing and real estate background, we know exactly what buyers are looking for and how to give it to them.” Learn more: https://motioncitymedia.com/
National Alliance on Mental Illness of NJ - “NAMI New Jersey (NAMI NJ) is a statewide non-profit organization dedicated to improving the lives of individuals and families affected by mental illness. Through education, support, advocacy and public awareness programs NAMI NJ fosters understanding about mental illness, confronts stigma often associated with mental disorders, advocates for public policies that benefit those affected by mental illness, and promotes research into the causes, treatment and recovery of mental health disorders.” Learn more: https://www.naminj.org/
New Jersey Education Association - “NJEA is the premier labor union in the nation for serious educators and support professionals who want to protect and advance their careers.” Learn more: https://www.njea.org/
New Jersey Natural Gas - “New Jersey Natural Gas (NJNG) is the principal subsidiary of New Jersey Resources. NJNG serves over half a million customers in New Jersey's Monmouth, Ocean, Morris, Middlesex and Burlington counties, and operates the most environmentally-sound natural gas distribution system in the state as measured by leaks per mile. As a leader in the competitive energy marketplace and a lifeline service provider, NJNG is committed to service excellence and delivering safe, reliable energy our customers depend on to keep their homes and businesses running.” Learn more: https://www.njng.com/
Next Step Chiropractic - “Next Step's goal is to provide solutions to your needs whether you are experiencing back or neck pain, headaches, or looking to improve your health!” Learn more: https://www.nextstepchiropractic.com/
NJ Transit – Ride with Pride - "NJ TRANSIT is unveiling two Ride with Pride themed buses to celebrate the LGBTQIA+ Community and its allies during Pride month. The wrapped buses will be on display throughout New Jersey on the transit system. In collaboration with our sponsor, Hackensack Meridian Health, the Ride with Pride wraps are designed to show support and raise awareness of inclusion of the LGBTQIA+ community.
“NJ TRANSIT is committed to diversity and inclusion, and we are especially proud to help keep New Jersey moving with these new specially marked buses. NJ TRANSIT welcomes all members of the LGBTQIA+ Community and its advocates to ‘Ride with Pride’ this June,” said New Jersey Department of Transportation Commissioner and NJ TRANSIT Board Chair Diane Gutierrez-Scaccetti.
“We are celebrating Pride month throughout the agency and across our system, including creating these special Pride-wrapped vehicles.” said NJ TRANSIT President & CEO Kevin S. Corbett. “I’m pleased we were able to work with our Ride with Pride Company Employee Resource Group, which is made up of LGBTQIA+ employees and allies on this special project to reaffirm our commitment to inclusion to our customers and employees.”" Learn more: https://www.njtransit.com/press-releases/nj-transit-celebrates-pride-month
North Jersey PFLAG - "Welcome to Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays of North Jersey, a group of people who meet regularly in the Montclair area and are dedicated to providing support, education, and advocacy to gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered people, their families and their friends […]
PFLAG was founded in 1981 by 25 parents concerned with society’s attitude toward their gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered children. Today, PFLAG represents more than 65,000 families and friends in the United States and speaks for the thousands of others who cannot." Learn more: http://www.pflagnorthjersey.org/
Novo Nordisk - “For almost 100 years, we have been translating the unmet medical needs of people living with a serious chronic disease into innovative medicines and delivery systems, like our insulin pens.
Our treatments today are benefiting millions of people living with diabetes, obesity, and rare blood and endocrine diseases.
From our labs to our factory floors, we are discovering and developing innovative biological medicines and making them accessible to patients throughout the world.” Learn more: https://www.novonordisk.com/
NYM Starbucks Pride Alliance - Learn more: https://www.facebook.com/StarbucksPride/
Out in Jersey - “Out In Jersey magazine covers the interests of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and questioning community of New Jersey.” Learn more: https://outinjersey.net/
Paradise - Nightclub and Bar in Asbury Park, NJ. Learn more: https://www.paradisenj.com/
Parties by Bellas - “Parties by Bellas is more than an in-home adult party business, we are a family of Divas that genuinely care about each other and our customers’ desires and needs. When you become a Diva or a host, you join a family of amazing women and men. Our company began due to the amazing sisterhood that was created by the CEO when she was an independent consultant for an adult company that went out of business. The sisterhood that she created due to that company was something she did not want to lose and thus found a way to recreate and develop it through parties by bellas. We strive to create an atmosphere comfortable for everyone. We at Parties by bellas believe love is love. We believe no one should be secluded from our parties.” Learn more: http://partiesbybellas.com/
Petsmart - “PetSmart supports LGBTQ+. We believe in unconditional love and proudly promote equality.” Learn more: https://www.petsmart.com/featured-shops/pride-shop/
PFLAG Jersey Shore - “PFLAG Jersey Shore is a nonprofit organization that aims to provide support for the families and allies of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) individuals, and LGBT individuals themselves; education for ourselves and others about the unique issues and challenges facing people who are LGBT; and advocacy in our communities to change attitudes and create policies and laws that achieve full equality for LGBT people. We are a local chapter of PFLAG National, our parent organization, which envisions a world where diversity is celebrated and all people are respected, valued, and affirmed inclusive of their sexual orientation, gender identity, and gender expression.
We operate locally in Monmouth and Ocean counties of New Jersey. Our chapter hosts two support groups each month and sponsors numerous other events throughout the year. If you or someone you know is gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender, we invite you to join us!” Learn more: https://pflagjerseyshore.org/
Philadelphia Freedom Band - “The Philadelphia Freedom Band seeks to be a place where anyone - LGBTQ+ and allies - can enjoy playing and performing music in a friendly and supportive atmosphere. We are comprised of a wide variation of talented people, from beginners to college educated professional musicians. We come together to improve as individuals, perform for the public and be visible as folks who support the LGBTQ+ community. We welcome anyone who wants to play in our multiple bands (concert, marching and small ensembles) and understand our mission.” Learn more: https://sites.google.com/philadelphiafreedomband.com/philadelphiafreedomband/home?authuser=0/
Progressive Insurance - “We are committed to making our company and our communities equitable for all. At Progressive, diversity, equity and inclusion are fundamental to our Core Values. We're committed to creating an environment where all people feel safe, welcomed, valued and respected. With so many acts of racism, homophobia, transphobia, and xenophobia in our communities, this commitment is more important than ever. We stand in solidarity with communities of color, the LGBTQ community and other marginalized groups and we encourage our people to discuss these all-too-prevalent issues with our leadership team, with one another, and with our Employee Resource Groups [...]” Learn more: https://www.progressive.com/about/diversity-and-inclusion/
PSEG’S PRIDE Business Energy Resource Group - “PRIDE is dedicated to creating a safe and inclusive work environment at PSEG where LGBTQ+ (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Questioning) employees and allies are recognized, respected, and valued as contributors to a diverse culture within all levels of the organization.” Learn more: https://corporate.pseg.com/careers/diversityandinclusionpage/employeebusinessresourcegroups
PTC LGBTQ+ Employee Resource Group - “We know that individuals are at their best when they feel they can be their most authentic selves. Here at PTC, we strive to create an inclusive workplace culture and an environment in which employees feel supported and positioned for success.” Learn more: https://www.ptc.com/en/careers/diversity-equity-and-inclusion
QSPOT LGBT Community Center - "Founded in Asbury Park in 2005, QSpot fosters the health, well-being and pride of NJ’s LGBT and allied community by providing resources, referrals, education, and outreach. QSpot works tirelessly to fulfill its mission while operating a safe and welcoming LGBT community center.
QSpot’s LGBT Community Center is a gathering spot for NJ’s LGBT and allied community, a place where individuals, groups and families can go to be social, have fun, find support and grow. QSpot is the only LGBT community center serving the diverse cities of Asbury Park, Ocean Grove, Red Bank, Long Branch, Toms River and more.
QSpot provides vital services to this under-served community using an all-volunteer, community based model. QSpot’s services include education, advocacy, and support for LGBT youth, LGBT seniors, parents and families of LGBT, mental health counseling, 12-step recovery groups, Buddy Program for LGBT 50 +, support groups, social clubs, book club and more. QSpot is also a meeting place for other LGBT organizations and individuals looking for a welcoming place to hold important professional and personal events.
QSpot is also home to the arts, proudly supporting the QSpot Marching and Concerts Bands, and producing QFEST New Jersey LGBT Film and Digital Media Festival, NJ’s only LGBT film festival, as well as art exhibitions, musical performances and book readings." Learn more: https://qspot.org/
QSpot Marching Band - "QSpot Marching and Concert Band are volunteer community bands led by Musical Director Eva Szakal." Learn more: https://qspot.org/the-arts/qspot-marching-band/
RWJBarnabas Health - “RWJBarnabas Health is committed to meeting the special health care needs of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBTQ) community with respect and compassion. We provide an array of health, referral and educational services, promote LGBTQ health equity and access to care, and develop effective partnerships with LGBTQ organizations, agencies and allies.” Learn more: https://www.rwjbh.org/why-rwjbarnabas-health-/diversity-equity-and-inclusion/lgbtq-health-services/
Saber Guild Corellia - “Saber Guild's Corellia Temple serves Northern New Jersey and Ocean and Monmouth Counties as a chapter of Saber Guild International, LFL's preferred costuming and lightsaber performance organization.” Learn more: https://saberguild.org/
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Sherlock’s Homes Foundation - “We provide housing, employment opportunities, and a loving support system for homeless LGBTQ+ young adults so that they can live fearlessly as their authentic selves.
Within one of our homes, these young adults learn responsibility, accountability, financial independence, life skills, but most of all; how to love themselves.Currently we have homes in Boca Raton, FL and Colorado Springs, CO. with other homes opening up around the country soon.
If you would like to sponsor one of our next homes, we’d love to hear from you.” Learn more: https://sherlockshomes.org/
Slalom - “We help companies tackle their most ambitious projects and build new capabilities.” Learn more: https://www.slalom.com/
Somerset County Democratic LGBTQ+ Caucus - Learn more: https://www.facebook.com/SomersetDemsLGBT
Target - “Highlighting the brands supporting LGBTQIA+ organizations that make a difference every day.” Learn more: https://www.target.com/c/pride-brands/-/N-jnjue
The Asbury - “The Asbury mashes up Asbury Park's Victorian-era history, rock-n-roll present, and shiny future into a new kind of social hub. Come experience our vibrant bars and hangouts like our renowned rooftop lounge Salvation, the outdoor movie theater Baronet and our lively lobby bar Soundbooth. There’s something for everyone at The Asbury, whether it’s hanging by the pool, enjoying live music in the lobby, soaking up a well being class on Baronet or simply relaxing in your room, this is the new Asbury Park.” Learn more: https://www.theasburyhotel.com/
The Party for Socialism and Liberation - “The Party for Socialism and Liberation believes that the only solution to the deepening crisis of capitalism is the socialist transformation of society.” Learn more: https://pslweb.org/
The Pride Center of New Jersey - “The Pride Center was founded in 1994. For two and a half decades, we have served the needs of the LGBTQ community, empowering thousands of individuals to live authentic lives. We have an active membership and volunteer base with robust attendance in a range of programs, support and social groups, and activities that promote fun.
The groups and services offered by The Center have enriched the lives of thousands of LGBTQ individuals over the years who may otherwise have had nowhere else to turn. At The Center, everyone is welcomed with open arms.” Learn more: http://www.pridecenter.org/
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David Ross Lawn - "Don't Be A Stranger" (EP). Contemplative Solo Piano Interpretations of the Music of Phoebe Bridgers
By Sonia Schnee | Thursday, June 9, 2022
Tomorrow (Friday, June 10), Asbury Park’s David Ross Lawn will be releasing a new 4-track EP entitled “Don’t Be a Stranger” in which he applies his contemplative piano style of music to the tracks of award-winning indie rock singer-songwriter Phoebe Bridgers. The EP will be available on all streaming platforms. Not only is David a composer, musician, teacher, and style icon, he is also the newest addition to the Jersey Indie team, as concert and community event photographer.
So, why cover the music of Phoebe Bridgers?
“Phoebe Bridgers is my favorite artist of all time,” says David. “I thought to myself, there's got to be a way for me to pay homage to her music in my own way. I started doing piano versions of her music and posted them as livestreams on TikTok as well as on YouTube. People who commented kept saying, ‘You have to save these’, so really I’m doing it for my audience. I’m doing it so her fans can hear her music the way that I hear it and experience it the way that I experience it.
When it comes to my piano covers, I do it all in one take. Connor Hanson, who recorded with me, can attest to this. It's almost improvised. It's very fresh. I stay true to the melody. If someone wants to sing along to it, they can. What I change slightly is the energy of the pieces. I take them to a more contemplative, quieter place — subtle, but quietly powerful. It’s almost like a lullaby that can cradle you off to sleep.”
To get a sense of David’s musical style you can check out his playlist of past Phoebe Bridgers covers, here.
David’s new EP will consist of 4 tracks, featuring two songs from Ms. Bridgers’s first album (“Motion Sickness” and “Scott Street”) as well as two of her more recent songs (“Kyoto” and “Garden Song”).
The title of the EP, “Don’t Be a Stranger”, is inspired by the last line of the last song, “Scott Street.” As David explains, “The phrase ‘don't be a stranger’ is one of those things that, to me, is just such a stab to the heart. If you've ever had someone in your life that you wish didn't go away, you’ll understand. It’s like you left the light on for those people, but they never called. If you’re familiar with the song “Scott Street”, there’s this beautiful anthemic uproar at the end with a string quartet and all these beautiful side samples in it. In my version, that’s where I like to showcase my classical training. It definitely ends in an explosion.”
David studied classical and contemporary piano performance and composition as an undergraduate in Scotland at the University of Aberdeen and at Westminster Choir College, in Princeton, NJ where he got his Masters.
In addition to David’s serious talent, though, he also has a fun side.
“My Instagram is more demure and somber and serious, but my TikTok is literally just me being myself, being smiley and happy and waving.” Inspired by his students, who encourage him to post his eye-catching outfits, David’s TikTok account has amassed over 375,000 followers and over 15.8 million likes. Full of fun and flair — and authenticity — you can see why his videos easily garner between 10,000 and 2 million views per post.
But back to Phoebe Bridgers.
I asked David how he first discovered her music and if he remembered when/where that was.
“I was on a walk listening to her song “Smoke Signals”, which is the first song on her first album,” says David. “It came on thanks to Spotify shuffle, and it made me stop in my tracks as I was walking to work. I actually had to sit down. It was that kind of experience. I listened to the lyrics and started crying. I got really emotionally invested in what was going on with the songs, and I remember basically diverting my entire day to go walk on the boardwalk and listen to that album in its entirety. When she released her other album, it was almost the same situation where I said to myself, I'm going to devote an entire day just to listening to this, experiencing this out in nature, away from everyone, away from everything.
So even from that first song, I was invested. I still listen to her music to get through hard times myself. Music can be used to narrate part of your life and your experiences. Her music fills in a large void for me and makes me feel deeply. A big part of why I do what I do on the piano is to help people feel a certain emotion. That's what her music does to me. If you know her music, it's just so deep and cathartic. It takes a hold of your heart, so it's definitely my kind of music.”
So, what’s next on the horizon for David Ross Lawn?
“If Phoebe Bridgers was to see this EP, my life would be completely made. I would be dancing on the street.”
So, Phoebe Bridgers, if you’re reading this right now, know that you’ve got David in your corner. And hey, if you ever want to do a piano collaboration with him, it could be dynamite. ;)
Interview with The City Limit
By Sonia Schnee | Posted Thursday, April 14, 2022
Stanhope, NJ band The City Limit is cooking up new music for 2022, drawing on a diverse range of influences, from blues to pop, rock, funk, jazz, and folk. I interviewed bandmates Scott Lewis, Anthony Ambrosio, Sean Farrelly, and Mike Casson twice last year to ask them about their future music plans. Just a little over a month ago, they teased on Instagram part of a new single, which we may get to hear on April 22nd when they perform at Newton, NJ's Greek's Bar. Then, on Saturday, May 14th, The City Limit will be traveling down south, performing for the first time in North Carolina at Wampus Cat Music Festival.
In our interview, bandmates Scott, Anthony, Sean, and Mike reflected on the good parts of 2020/2021, plans for their new EP, what it’s like getting messages from international fans, and they gave some shout-outs to some very influential family members. Catch it all by watching our interview above or reading the transcript below.
(Video and transcript have been edited for time and clarity.)
Interview 2: December 2021
SCOTT LEWIS: I'm Scott.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: My name is Anthony. I play bass guitar.
SEAN FARRELLY: My name's Sean. I play drums.
MIKE CASSON: My name is Mike, and I play keyboards.
SCOTT LEWIS: And we are The City Limit.
Going back to the first interview (March 14, 2021), the day we did the interview, you said the night before you were recording a music video.
SCOTT LEWIS: Yeah! We recorded the music video for our last single "Wake Up Your Mind” [see above].
You had a friend from L.A. who was a videographer/cinematographer who came and filmed it. Tell me a little bit about that.
SCOTT LEWIS: Yeah, so he's a childhood friend of Anthony's.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: Yeah, me and him were in bands together, grew up together playing music, and he went on the path of film. He worked in L.A., doing all sorts of odd jobs working in the industry. He really needed something for his portfolio, so he came out and basically did it for free. We had to pay for whatever expenses, but we didn't have to pay him anything. The video turned out awesome.
SCOTT LEWIS: He did such an amazing job with it.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: For no budget.
SCOTT LEWIS: Yeah, and it looks fantastic when you watch the video.
Yeah, it looks really, really aesthetically pleasing, with all the twinkle lights and the colors and everything.
SCOTT LEWIS: That was all to Steve [Stephen Joseph Craig] -- the director's -- credit.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: Yeah, he set up everything.
SCOTT LEWIS: He sent me to Lowe's and I was like, "Get a bunch of lights." I'm like, "Alright" so I got a bunch of lights and then we strung 'em up and the rest was just his talent.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: It was all in my garage, too. It worked out great.
You did a ton of shows then after that. Are there any that stand out, or do you have any general observations of what that was like during the pandemic?
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: You know what, we didn't notice the pandemic, per se. It was a little harder booking gigs that pay and stuff, but in terms of playing gigs, there were a lot of gigs out there to grab.
SCOTT LEWIS: They take a little bit more legwork to find now. It's a little bit more like you have to actively hunt them out, whereas before the pandemic, places were playing tug-of-war, like, "We want you to play." "No, we want you to play." "No, we want you to play." Now, it's a little bit more you searching them out. As he mentioned, they don't have as much money to play with anymore. Obviously, a lot of restaurants closed down during the lockdowns during the pandemic, so everyone's kind of financially struggling, so they just don't have as much money to play with. So, those things make being a performer or a gigging musician a little bit more difficult, but we just love playing together. We love playing on stage and playing our songs for people. So, despite the pay cut, we have not been deterred whatsoever. We're just as happy as ever to get on stage and play for people.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: The upstate New York shows were definitely some of the better ones. There were festivals, a lot of people. A lot of fun.
SCOTT LEWIS: That one in Barryville.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: Kenny's Cosmic Campout. That was good. And then, The Grateful Daze. Same area.
SCOTT LEWIS: So, we're hugely influenced by The Grateful Dead. We're all obsessed with The Grateful Dead. In upstate New York is this whole community of Deadheads up there that throw these great music festivals, and we got to be a part of two of them this year and one of them last year. Those are some of the most fun shows you ever played. Everybody's there for the same reason, which is just to play and listen to great music, and it's a very communal vibe. We were outsiders coming into it, and they were so welcoming to us. We're going to be back there again in 2022 at all those shows, so love upstate New York, love the whole Deadhead culture up there. It's a really, really great place to play music.
SEAN FARRELLY: We have some other potential gigs coming up that could be cool, too, that aren't just in the area, like down in North Carolina.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: In North Carolina, we have a gig set.
SEAN FARRELLY: Wampus Cat Music Festival. We got selected to play in North Carolina at this festival, so we're going to be taking a road trip out there, and we have a couple of other gigs that we're working out in the Louisiana area and Virginia. So, we're trying to move southward with our music. That's something that we intended to do in 2020, but then, obviously, the carpet got pulled out from under everyone, so now we're excited to pick it back up.
SCOTT LEWIS: The Wampus Cat's going to be in late-May, and then we're going to try to be in the Louisiana area in mid-summer, sometime around there. One thing that we're learning as we go along in the years of being a band is plan your summers and stuff way in advance. In the past year, we were scrambled, like "Oh my God, summer's here. Let's find shows."
SCOTT LEWIS: By the way, if you see me popping up and sitting back down, I have a pot of gumbo I've been making since 2 o'clock in the afternoon over there, so I just keep running over to it and tending to it to make sure it doesn't get out of hand.
That sounds pretty good. Hey, do what you got to do!
SEAN FARRELLY: Scott likes to cook for us.
SCOTT LEWIS: I need to feed my boys.
SEAN FARRELLY: It's one of his favorite pastimes.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: It's the only way he's going to get us over his house, basically.
SCOTT LEWIS: They're growing boys. I've gotta keep them nurtured.
Congratulations on Spotify! I saw that you got a lot of streams, a lot of followers in a lot of countries. That's pretty wild.
SCOTT LEWIS: Yeah, we've been trying to build our online following a little bit.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: That's a hard thing to do.
SCOTT LEWIS: It is.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: Emails and playlists and whatnot and curators. It takes a lot of work.
[Keyboard player Mike Casson joins the interview.]
SCOTT LEWIS: Here is our piano prodigy extraordinaire.
MIKE CASSON: How's it going?
We were just going over the past shows that you've done over the year. You guys have been really busy. Are there any that stick out in your mind that you particularly enjoyed?
MIKE CASSON: Yeah, there were a bunch. What was it, Riverfest?
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: That was a couple of years ago, but still. We were saying The Grateful Daze and Kenny's Cosmic Campout.
MIKE CASSON: Oh yeah, The Grateful Daze was really cool. We played at a brewery recently, too, that was really cool.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: Yeah, Fort Nonsense Brewing Company had a grand re-opening. That was a Halloween show, too.
What are your plans in terms of new music? Is it a similar sound and feel compared to what you've done in the past?
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: Pretty similar sound and feel. We try to change it up, but we've got some songs in the works. Nothing ready to put on record yet, but we did record a single over this past summer that's ready to be released probably within the next month or so.
SCOTT LEWIS: Yeah, me and Anthony are kind of approaching the end of the writing process for this next record that we're going to start doing in 2022. I'm really excited about it because I feel like this next record, just based on the raw form of the songs we have now, it's going to be kind of like the final realization of what we've been trying to do with this band. Look at the last record, and it kind of has elements of the first record in it. This next one is going to be, I think, a total breaking new ground type of thing where it's going to be something completely fresh. It's going to be the four of us working like lockstep with each other as one cohesive unit. We're all going to be putting our creativity together in one, and that's going to be really fun to see.
Are you going back to Backroom Studios with Kevin [Antreassian]?
SCOTT LEWIS: Yeah, he's like our George Martin, you know what I mean?
MIKE CASSON: He's really good.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: He works well with us. He knows us.
MIKE CASSON: He's been doing it for a while with the band.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: And he's very easy to work with. You say anything and he'll do it. Like, "Oh yeah, let's do it! Let's try it," you know?
SCOTT LEWIS: This will be our fourth session with him, and I just feel like now we have a bit of a shorthand and we have a rapport with him where we don't have to overexplain anything. He just kind of intuitively knows what to do for our band and our sound and our songs.
You guys didn't really stop during the pandemic. You kept going, staying really busy, and playing shows. Did you find that, in terms of the audience reaction, people were grateful to be able to be outside of their houses/apartments? Was there a good vibe? What was that audience reaction like?
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: People just started coming back out, especially when it got nice out. A lot of the stuff was outside. During the winter Scott and I were doing some acoustic stuff, or Mike and Scott were doing some acoustic stuff, and people just loved it. People were just trying to get out and live their lives again.
SCOTT LEWIS: I almost feel like now people are more grateful than ever for live music, you know what I mean? People went through a period of time when they were all locked in their houses streaming Netflix, and so now when they're at a place with live music, they appreciate it. It's Like, "Wow, life would be bleak without this." So there is that little thing. I think people are more excited for live music now than ever before.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: Even for us, guys, we're guys who go to concerts all the time. We hadn't gone to any shows, but luckily all four of us together got to go see Hall & Oates this summer.
SCOTT LEWIS: That was amazing!
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: It was down at PNC Bank Arts Center.
MIKE CASSON: That was a great night.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: A great little outing. It was the first concert of the last couple of years, sort of thing.
SCOTT LEWIS: We're all into so many different kinds of music, but we all love pop music so much. To see one of the greatest pop music writing duos, to see them on stage, and they sounded as good as ever, it was really, really inspiring and cool.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: It was.
MIKE CASSON: Daryl was getting mad at the sound guys, though. He kept on getting feedback.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: We're sorry about that, Daryl.
SCOTT LEWIS: The sound sucks at PNC, and I'm so happy that Daryl held their feet to the fire on that one.
MIKE CASSON: He was getting mad, but they killed it, though.
SCOTT LEWIS: I was getting mad.
SEAN FARRELLY: I didn't even mind spending the $14 on the beer.
What are your plans for 2022? You mentioned new music, the festivals.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: That's our biggest goal, to get some new music. We want to be back in the studio at some point, hopefully real soon.
SCOTT LEWIS: Yeah, we pretty much have like the next EP written out, and I'm personally so excited about it because I think that some of the songs on this next record are going to be our best ones yet. Just this new single alone that we recorded, we showed it to a few close friends and they were like, "This is better than anything from the last two records." In my mind, I'm like, "Well, wait 'til you see what else is on the next EP. It's going to be even better than this." So, I think that we're just keeping that upwards trajectory going, of getting better and better with the songs. I'm really excited.
For the new EP, do you have any collaborations in mind?
SCOTT LEWIS: The last record, we worked with two amazing musicians named Earl Maneeine and Jennifer Devore who are members of... It's actually a funny story. So Earl is an amazing violinist, and his wife, Jennifer, is an amazing cellist. They're part of this quartet called The Vitamin String Quartet. They do these amazing tributes to great songwriters like Elliott Smith and Fiona Apple and all these great songwriters who we admire. So I'd been listening to them since I was in high school, and then one day we were talking to Kevin [Antressian], like "We need strings" and he was like, "Oh, I have some string players I could hook you up with." He gave us the contact info, we started talking, we added each other on Facebook, and like a week after we added each other on Facebook, I was bored and I was looking at their Facebook and it says "Violinist and cellist at Vitamin String Quartet." I was like, "Wait, WHAT?" I didn't even know these guys who I had been talking to about the project and working on our songs were from this quartet I had been listening to for like 10-12 years and who I loved so much. That was a really cool, full-circle moment. So, that was on the last record.
We don't really know who we're going to work with on this next one. We're a very tight-knit group when it comes to recording. Like, we usually don't let anybody in the studio other than us, but as we get to a song and we say, "Oh, this needs this instrument, this needs that instrument..." For the first record, we hired a saxophone player. So we kind of play by ear and see what the song needs, and then we kind of hunt out someone to play the part.
Our first drummer on our first record was a good friend of ours — and is still a close friend of the band — Sean Meyers. He has this great project called Gates to the Morning. On the first record on our song "Wreckage", track 3 on our first EP, there's this is a line where it says "Every time it rains so hard, a little bit of us weathers away" and when I say the word "rain", Sean did a rain stick, so “Every time it rains” it goes "tshhhh." We forced Kevin to take that recording of the rain stick.
SEAN FARRELLY: Yeah, take the rain stick and put it in every other release.
SCOTT LEWIS: Every single release we ever do, like 40 years from now, we're going to be using the rain stick.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: It's in the new single. You'll hear it.
MIKE CASSON: It's subtle.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: It's very subtle.
MIKE CASSON: But it's nice.
SCOTT LEWIS: Basically, we want, 40 years from now, to still have Sean have a credit on our record and he hasn't talked to us in like 30 years but we just want him to be there, just so he opens the record and he's like, "These idiots." So, we're looking forward to seeing how we can utilize the rain stick.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: This new EP, I am pretty sure on one track there is going to be some sort of instrument. Something. We don't know what yet, but something will be there, just for fun, you know? Horns or something.
MIKE CASSON: I personally think it's cool to collab with people that you like in the local scene.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: Oh yeah, definitely.
MIKE CASSON: Because there's so many talented people that we know that, you know, a lot of people, sometimes we get caught up in being a band and just focusing on what the band should sound like, but at the end of the day, we're just trying to get our music out there to as many people as possible, and sometimes a collab can just take a good song and make it something special. I definitely am open to that.
SCOTT LEWIS: Me, too.
MIKE CASSON: If we know the people that would fit, you know?
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: It's not planned. It just kind of gets figured out as the process is happening.
Since Spotify is so international, do you ever get messages from people in different parts of the country or different parts of the world that are surprising?
SCOTT LEWIS: We got a really lovely review from a music blog in Mexico, and we had to use Google Translate to understand what they were saying. It said something to the effect of, "This is a great blend of pop, funk, blues, disco" and I was like, "I guess there is disco in there." They were like, "You've gotta have this in your music library." As we're reading out the Google Translate, we were like, "These guys are so nice." So there's been little instances of that. We're going to try to have that same outreach with the next single.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: We've been working with a radio promotion company called Twin Vision, and they were the ones that were helping us spread it around. We're going to be working with them with this new single as well. So hopefully we get the same kind of feedback with people reaching out.
SEAN FARRELLY: We're hoping they remember us from the last one, so they see that we released a new one and will be like, "Oh yeah, I remember these guys. We'll check it out."
Where are they based?
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: They're based out in Brooklyn. They work with everyone all over the country, but their main offices are in Brooklyn. They found us. We played at Rockwood Music Hall two years ago. They searched the website and found us through the website, listened to our music, and reached out to us about helping us promote shit, but we didn't have anything out at the time, so we used them last year and we reached out again this year for the new single. So, hopefully, it works out.
Is there anyone who you'd like to give a shout-out to?
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: I’d like to give a shout-out to "the two Jim’s." Sean's father and Mike's father, Jim Casson and Jim Farrelly. They come to every show we play.
SEAN FARRELLY: Every show. No matter where it is.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: They just show up.
SCOTT LEWIS: Jim squared.
MIKE CASSON: They're a good duo.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: Excellent duo..
SCOTT LEWIS: We've had this pipe dream of a photoshoot where we dress up our dads as us.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: And they're the band, they just wear outfits we happen to wear. Sweater vests and beards and stuff.
SCOTT LEWIS: Me in like a beer-stained shirt. Anthony in a snap-on jacket. Mike in a Nintendo T-shirt with a beanie on.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: Man bun.
MIKE CASSON: I’ll wear something ridiculous, like tigers…
SCOTT LEWIS: Like a muscle shirt covered in watermelons.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: Jim's gotta start working out to do this.
SCOTT LEWIS: Didn't we have an idea where, for some reason, we were going to be in the background? Like, you know in a cartoon when a bunch of characters poke their heads around a corner and their heads are stacked? It's gonna be us looking around the corner at our dads as us.
MIKE CASSON: It’s a good idea for a cover.
SCOTT LEWIS: We were really high when we came up with this idea, but it sounded great at the time.
Yeah, that could be the artwork for the cover.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: We can't help that we're geniuses.
SCOTT LEWIS: If you saw that album cover, wouldn't you go, "I vaguely want to take a listen to this"?
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: You'd shut it off after the first 20 seconds.
SCOTT LEWIS: But at least you started it!
I would be intrigued, for sure.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: Even if they didn't have their shirts on. Actually, our dads are almost in better shape than us.
SCOTT LEWIS: Our dads are in way better shape than us.
Are any of them musical? Would they ever have a guest spot?
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: My dad's actually a drummer, almost like a casual hobby. When I was a kid, he'd put on Journey CDs and just play along to them. So that's kind of what got me into it. I started jamming on drums. He got me a guitar and a bass and whatnot. But other than that, not really.
SCOTT LEWIS: My dad learned "Badge" by Cream on the bass when he was, like, 25 and then never did anything else musical again.
SEAN FARRELLY: My dad kind of knows how to play drums because I've shown him a couple of things in recent past years. I think he just needs to get over the confidence part.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: He is a black belt, though.
SEAN FARRELLY: Yeah. He needs to get out and just play in front of people. He is a black belt, though. I know that's not really a musical instrument.
MIKE CASSON: My dad did choir when he was younger and he'll sing, kind of. He's not into music really, but he's always had a great taste in music. I owe him a lot for all the insane catalogs of different genres, of all the classics that he had showed me growing up, that has just seeped into your subconscious and then you grow up and it’s kind of influences you.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: Same with me. My dad introduced me to so much music. Never was a huge musician, but he was just a huge music fan.
Shout-out to them!
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: Oh yeah. Other than that, everyone else can suck it, I would have to say, right?
A shout-out to our friend, Nicole. She helped us a lot.
SCOTT LEWIS: Oh yeah. Let's give a shout-out to Nicole! She's always there for us, even when we are not there for ourselves. We really appreciate that.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: She helps us with a lot of things. She's gotten us gigs. She's taken pictures.
MIKE CASSON: Helped us book.
SCOTT LEWIS: She's a jack-of-all-trades.
MIKE CASSON: Yeah, she's great.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: She's a good friend.
MIKE CASSON: Shout-out to Nicole. Nicole's cool. She's a good friend.
OK, well, I will let you guys enjoy your gumbo and cornbread and pizza.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: We've been waiting for the gumbo for hours.
SCOTT LEWIS: That's not true, it's ready. Don't listen to him! We should do this once a year. This is fun. This is nice.
Hey, it's always good to catch up.
MIKE CASSON: We should make a Patreon.
SCOTT LEWIS: We should.
MIKE CASSON: We should.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: I was thinking an OnlyFans.
MIKE CASSON: We could do an OnlyFans.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: They think it's nudes and they click on it and it's one of our shitty songs. “We paid for this shit?!”
SCOTT LEWIS: They think it's nudes but they click on it and it's just me making gumbo for 11 hours straight.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: And me yelling at him. "Where's dinner? Where's my dinner?!"
SCOTT LEWIS: I’d pay for that. I’d watch that.
Yeah, you should do that on YouTube! What do they have? The yule log that plays in a loop for 24 hours?
SCOTT LEWIS: It’s Scott stirring gumbo.
SEAN FARRELLY: I love that idea!
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: We'll give you royalties.
You can have that, and then people can tip you along the way.
MIKE CASSON: Livestreaming on Twitch.tv.
ANTHONY AMBROSIO: With a City Limits track on repeat in the background.
SCOTT LEWIS: We'll give you a producer's credit, Sonia.
Interview with Sara Abdelbarry (Teen Idle)
By Sonia Schnee | Posted Wednesday, April 13, 2022
In February of this year, Asbury Park alt-rock songwriter, producer, and multi-instrumentalist Sara Abdelbarry (a.k.a Teen Idle) released her first single in 2 years, entitled “Burning”, and this Friday, 4/15, she’ll also be releasing the official music video for it.
With the exception of drums recorded by Simon Ogilvie and Danny Murray, Sara played all the instruments featured in the song and recorded them in her basement. (Shoutout to Andy Schichter for mixing and Kramer for mastering!)
In March, Sara’s guitar and synth skills plus backing vocals were featured on the Arabic-language song “La ElWa2t Yesra2”, produced in collaboration with Egyptian artist 200 Shams, which you can listen to here.
If you’re craving more by Teen Idle, you can catch Sara performing live on 4/28 at Finnegan’s Pub in Hoboken, NJ with Sonic Blume and ØM-53, and again on 4/29 at Stage Dive in Glassboro, NJ with Awesome Possum, Winkler, and Nadir Bliss.
Sara/Teen Idle is currently working on a full-length album. If you want to be the first to find out when it drops, and stay up-to-date on upcoming shows and other announcements, be sure to follow @teenidlemusic on Instagram and Twitter.
To learn more about the inspiration behind “Burning”, Sara Abdelbarry’s personal and musical journey, and her plans for the future, check out our interview below.
Congratulations on the release of your recent single, “Burning." You had me hooked in the first 18 seconds. I was transported. Would you say “Burning” is a continuation of your past work or a departure from it?
Thank you so much. I’m glad the song was able to transport you — that to me is the best compliment. “Burning” feels like it grew naturally from the sounds of my EP, since I wrote it during the same time, but it’s also strikingly different in some ways (at least to my ears). Some people who listened to the single described it as shoegazey, which is interesting because I think of it as the least shoegaze inspired song I’ve released. The song incorporates a lot of the fuzzy guitars and sonic patterns of my prior releases, but with this song I definitely wanted the focus to be on vocals and lyrics in a way I wasn’t thinking about on my EP.
What can you tell us about the inspiration behind the song? Did you have a clear idea of what you wanted it to be about when you started writing? What was that journey like?
It was definitely a journey. I remember starting the song about 3 years ago when I was a senior in college. The first part I wrote was the instrumental, which I recorded into a computer. I remember thinking there was strong potential there. At that time I wasn’t thinking about subject matter or lyrics at all; I just thought I had a fun guitar riff. The instrumental ended up sitting around until one weekend when I came home from school. I was feeling torn about a crush I had, which sort of characterized my last few months of college, so I started to write some lines of poetry in a notebook. I was just spilling my feelings. Later, when I wanted to put those words to song, I remembered I had the instrumental for “Burning”; luckily it seemed to match up with the words.
I kept tinkering around with certain lyrics. I doubt anyone would think this a song about an unrequited crush by looking only at the lyrics, yet it is! Some of the lyrics are pretty dark without context — “glowing is the sunlight, but all I see is black” — but they‘re about being in a funk because of a complicated crush gone sour. For some reason, whenever I sing the song and get to that lyric, I end up smiling. I think it’s because this seemingly bleak lyric is actually empowering when I think about how tiny of a struggle this crush was in my life compared to what it felt like back then. Almost comically. It’s awesome to feel like you’ve matured.
Where did you record/who did you record with?
I actually produced the song alone and recorded it in my basement, which I turned into a DIY studio. I was lucky to have my friend Danny play live drums on the song and record it at a separate studio. Other than that, I played all the other instruments myself. It was definitely a learning experience, and super fun. You really have to commit to finding certain sounds for a song — in a dream situation they come in five minutes, and other times in five days. It took weeks for this one riff to come out that I think made the whole song. The nice thing about recording at home is that you’re not under some deadline or budget, but I definitely have more fun when friends play on my songs.
Is music-making something that runs in your family? How did you get to where you are today?
Boy, I feel like this is a fun one. I don’t know of anyone in my family, even generations back, who pursued music as a career, but one side of my family is definitely the more creative one — it seems like all my first and second cousins make art in some way, whether singing, visual art, or even tattooing. My mom used to make paint and collage and my grandmother used to write poetry. My dad also makes these doodles that I find artistic.
Back in Egypt, where my family is from, my one side of the family was involved in the film industry, with my grandmother’s first cousin managing to make a name for herself. Some of the family started acting or getting involved with film, so I feel like that’s a major influence for me. Even if it’s film, not music. The sentimentality of Arab cinema is actually a huge influence on my creativity, which I didn’t realize until recently.
The reason I became obsessed with music in the first place was because of family — my older cousins, who I thought were the coolest people ever, would watch MTV with me and illegally download songs for me on LimeWire. This is why I was listening to 50 Cent in kindergarten. I was so into MTV that the first album I ever bought as a child was Sweet Escape by Gwen Stefani, after seeing her music videos on there. This and Kelly Clarkson made me want to be a performer.
What do you hope people will walk away feeling or thinking about when they listen to “Burning”, specifically, and/or your music in general?
Dang, I just hope that you gain something from listening to this song or my other songs. Whether that’s a comforting feeling, a realization about something in your own life after listening to the lyrics, or just a new song that you can add to your playlist and bop your head to. I secretly (yet not so secretly) hope that people are playing “Burning” in the car and feeling nostalgia. I don’t think about this when I write, but it’s cool when someone listens to your song and walks away with a lingering feeling of happiness, hope, reflection, whatever, that they’re thinking about for days.
What’s next on the horizon for you? Are you playing any shows? When can we expect to hear your full-length album?
So many things! I’ve been hard at work on a full-length album for what seems like 5 million years now, so once I get around to reaching out to some people and making the moves I need to finish it, it’ll be out. Hopefully before the end of the year. I’m definitely starting to play more shows in NJ. I’m playing at the basement of Bond Street Bar on 4/7 with Idle Wave, and 4/28 at Finnegan’s Pub in Hoboken with Sonic Blume & 0M-53. Tickets for Hoboken are on sale at the link in my Instagram bio.
Is there anyone who you’d like to give a shout-out to?
Most definitely — everyone who listens to my music and especially those who take the time to message me about it. I appreciate you. Also my parents for being literally the most supportive people ever. Catch them at most of my shows. My mom helped me make some stop motion art for the promo of “Burning,” and it turned out incredible, so go take a look at the Canva video that Spotify plays on your phone with the song! My mom made that.
Is there anything else that you want people to know about you and your work?
I started putting together a compilation during Women’s History Month, which will include female artists from around the area and beyond (as far as Australia) covering songs by other female artists. It will be available on Bandcamp and all proceeds will go to Nomi Network, which helps women who are at risk or victims of human trafficking get a jumpstart on their lives through social and economic assistance. Follow my Bandcamp for notifications when it’s released. I wanted to do something to celebrate talented women making music, but it’s also important that we’ll be doing our small part to raise money for a great cause that empowers women globally.
Do you have any words of advice or encouragement that you'd like to share with people who need it?
When it comes to making music, I feel like the most success is had when people stop focusing on fancy gear or plugins, and instead just try to make the best song they can make. For life in general, my life started to open up in ways I could never have imagined when I stopped giving in to fears. If you take baby steps to get rid of whatever fear holds you back, you’ll see how magically the world starts to open up. Take a step out of your comfort zone! And eventually your old comfort zone will be uncomfortable.
Finally, where can people listen to your music and connect with you online?
You can find me on Spotify, Apple Music, Deezer, YouTube, all the usual streaming platforms! Even TikTok which I’m trying to master. My music is also on Bandcamp at teenidle.bandcamp.com
Interview with Jackie June (Singer/Songwriter)
By Sonia Schnee | Posted Friday, March 18, 2022
South Amboy singer/songwriter, alt-pop recording artist Jackie June just dropped a brand new single, “Falling Apart”, today. Written and recorded in collaboration with artists April Rose Gabrielli and Kulick, “Falling Apart” marks a sonic departure from Jackie’s previous music, while still being true to her penchant for deep, meaningful lyrics. As Jackie explains in her interview (Part 1 was filmed in March 2021, Part 2 in March of this year), while the subject matter of her songs may be serious, she likes to couple them with an upbeat, driving pop melody while also eliciting joy through refreshing and — as we’ll see with “Falling Apart” — playful music videos. Listening to Jackie June’s music, audiences are reminded to stop, reflect, and appreciate the beauty of the things and people around them.
Be sure to follow Jackie June on social media (Instagram, Facebook, Twitter) for up-to-date announcements about new music and show dates, and check out her YouTube channel to catch the official music video for “Falling Apart” which will premiere later this month.
To learn more about Jackie and the inspiration behind her music, watch our interview above or read the transcript below.
(Video and transcript have been edited for time and clarity.)
PART 1: March 2021
For first-time listeners, how would you describe your sound and your musical influences?
JACKIE JUNE: I think that my music is generally like pop-rock. I think sometimes people hear a little bit of a country influence depending on what the song is. I don't know where it comes from, but I do love country music. My influences tend to be a lot of pop artists and singer-songwriter-type artists.
Nice! And you're from around Toms River?
Yes. So I grew up in Toms River, but now I live in South Amboy, so Middlesex County.
Congratulations on the release of your music video for "Afterglow." It's a beautiful video. Beautiful lyrics. Where did you film it?
So we filmed the performance scenes up at Debonaire Music Hall in Teaneck. So shout out to David over there who's amazing and allowed us to use his space. The beach scenes in the video were over at Sandy Hook. So we went during sunset and got really lucky in capturing the most beautiful sunset, which we were really hoping for.
That shot is really gorgeous -- the colors and everything. It matches the colors in your hair, too.
It was literally pure luck. The filmmaker/director was Bart Lentini, and he had the idea to go to Sandy Hook. He's like, "I'm telling you, if it's a really good night, we're going to get really good shots" and I was like, "I trust you", and he nailed it. It was really perfect.
How did you and Bart meet up? Did you know each other before this?
So, probably a little over a year ago, I released a song called "On the Move", and at the time I was considering doing a music video for it. I wasn't really sure, and I had seen some work that I really liked. Taylor Tote had a video called "Heart's a Boomerang", and I had reached out to her and I said, "Hey, who did your video?" and she referred me to the woman who did her video. I reached out to her, and she introduced me to Bart. We talked a little bit. COVID happened, so no video, but as the year went on, I remembered that I loved his work and I reached back out to him and said, "Hey, how can we do a really cool COVID-safe music video?" We worked really well together. He was awesome to work with.
Who were your bandmates on stage?
So, I actually borrowed people from a bunch of different bands. So on the bass is Jamie McClanahan of The Victory Drive. On the guitar is Chris Laurie, and he's in the band Triple Addiction -- these are all Jersey bands -- and on the drums is Jimmy Meyer of The Dives. Fun fact: Jimmy Meyer is also the co-writer of the song, so we wrote it last summer [2020] via Zoom during COVID and all that good stuff.
How did you and Jimmy meet?
We somehow connected on Facebook because I guess we had heard each other's music. We had never met. We talked about a potential collaboration at some point and obviously, COVID happened, but we were like, "You know what? Even though we've never met and it's the middle of COVID, let's write something." So we actually wrote the song before we ever even met in person, which was kind of crazy.
Who produced the song? Where did you record it?
So that was recorded up an Audio Pilot Studio by Rob Freeman of the band Hidden in Plain View. They're a really awesome band, and he's such an incredible producer and just musician and person in general.
"Afterglow" has such beautiful lyrics. Thank you for including them underneath the music video. It's really a nice thing to be able to follow along!
Thank you, I felt really proud of these lyrics, and I think there are a lot of things that sometimes can get easily missed, or maybe my inflection, or the way I sing something. It happens all the time with music. There's misunderstood lyrics and stuff. So I was like, "You know what? I'm going to put these lyrics in the bottom." There's a lyric video, but I didn't do anything crazy with that, so I figured I might as well include them.
How would you describe this reference: "I dance with Marilyn, Norma's cutting in. How can one girl have two smiles?" What is that a reference to, for those who don't know?
That is literally one of my favorite lines in the song. I am a huge fan of Marilyn Monroe. I have pictures of her all over my music room in here. So when I was writing with Jimmy, I was kind of just looking around my room and I was looking at Marilyn and I'm like, "Oh man, I love her", blah blah blah, and I thought it would be interesting to incorporate her somehow in the song. Her birth name is Norma Jean Baker, for those who don't know, so the idea behind that line is, number one, the song is about kind of going a little crazy during -- I mean, for me personally, it's quarantine -- but it could be anything for anyone, where things are just raw and you just feel like you're going bonkers. I think that the imagery of having these two personalities in one person kind of combined, to me just seemed like a cool visual. I think it also shows that there's always going to be a little bit of two sides to how someone feels. I thought it was a good representation for feeling that way.
You also released another single during 2020, entitled "Can't Quit You", which you co-wrote with Jes Hudak. Tell us a little bit about that. You have a little bit of co-writing history with her as well.
Yes, I do. Jes Hudak, she is my mentor and I love her to death. So quick back story about Jes. I started off as her vocal student a few years ago, and this is before I had even started even thinking about writing. We were working together and she said, "Try songwriting, I feel like there's this artist within you and I think you should do it" and I was like, "You're nuts, I can't write a song." She really motivated me, and we wrote my whole first EP together, my EP "Wildflower."
We kind of came back together early-2020, maybe even by the end of 2019, and we started writing "Can't Quit You" together. It kind of came about because I had been having such an emotional roller coaster about, "Do I want to keep doing music? Do I not want to keep doing it?" There's just always this constant battle as an artist about whether or not you should even try. So funny enough, the song comes off as a love song, but it's really my love song to music, about how it doesn't matter what's going on and how much sometimes it can hurt, being an artist and really trying to do this thing, I just can't quit it. So I always love writing with Jes. She's the reason I do this. She's awesome.
What can you tell us about the music video? It's really beautiful. I got teary-eyed while I was watching it.
So, with a release during COVID and quarantine, there was really no opportunity to do any sort of music video. I thought, wouldn't it be really cute if "I can't quit you" kind of has like this double meaning? It's a love song, but for me personally, it means one thing. For someone else, it could mean something else. So I thought it would be a cool idea to reach out to people on social media -- friends, family, anyone who is interested -- to submit a really short clip of them showing me something that they could never quit, or something they just couldn't live without.
I got some really cool video submissions of people who like to run, so they're running, or there's people with their kids, and there's people with their girlfriends or their boyfriends, or eating chicken wings. I mean, just all these really cool ways that I feel like people were able to get creative. I just loved it and it came out really cool. I'm very proud of that video, so I'm really glad you liked it. It was really important to put out something that was really like a feel-good kind of thing. I think everybody has had some kind of loss, or hasn't been able to do the things that they can't quit, the things that they can't live without, and I like to think it was a nice little reminder for everyone to be like, "We still have these things. We're still going to be able to do them. Let's just have a little fun." Shout out to Ryan Hanratty of Frosted Green Productions for the editing. He did a great job.
In October 2020, I saw on Instagram that you were interviewed for a documentary about the New Jersey music scene. How did that happen?
So, this is cool. His name is Fulvio, and he is a filmmaker/documentarian. He's been interviewing musicians of all types and of all genres of people from the past and the present. Initially, I think it was going to be a movie documentary, but so many people wanted to be involved in it that I think he's going to make it more into a series now. Big shout out to Rory D'Lasnow, who's a singer/songwriter here in Jersey as well. He made the introduction. It was a really cool project and was excited to be a part of it, for sure. It's called The Jersey Sound, and I've been following them on Instagram and been following Fulvio. He's still out there and he's still meeting people and filming and interviewing. I'm excited to see when the videos start to come out.
Speaking of Rory, you also did a livestream with him sometime during the pandemic, in Asbury Park was it?
Caroline Davidson opened up a beautiful art and music-type studio in Asbury Park called Ghost Harbor Creative. She has an adorable little stage in there, and obviously, with COVID, it was hard to make it a public event, so she had the idea of coming up with livestreams recorded from Ghost Harbor. So I met with Caroline, and we set something up for me and Rory to perform there, and we did kind of a back and forth set, like a mini songwriters round. It was a lot of fun. It's a great place, and people should definitely check out Ghost Harbor because they're really doing a great job supporting the art scene in Jersey.
Do you come from a musical family or are you kind of a trailblazer?
My mother did a lot of theater growing up. My mom has a beautiful singing voice, but she didn't really pursue that. My father, he's a music fan, but not very musical. But my father's family is very musical. A lot of them live out in California and do a lot of singing and performing. My aunt's a belly dancer -- like a famous belly dancer. It's crazy. So she does all of that, and there are a lot of vocalists on that side of the family. Definitely artistic people.
Looking back, what have been some of the highlights that you've experienced as an artist so far?
I would say there are probably two really specific moments that stand out for me. No, three. I'm going to say three. The first one is playing a Sofar Sounds show in Atlanta last year, which first of all, it's so cool to play a Sofar show. I always heard really great things about how engaged the audience can be at a Sofar show, and they were not kidding -- very attentive and welcoming and just such a cool experience that I won't forget.
The second thing is there's an adorable little girl named Olivia who actually used my song "Chasing Nightmares" in her dance routine for her dance competitions. So that was really cool to see. I have the video up on my YouTube. She's so talented. So that was really cool.
The third thing that really stands out as being like a super highlight for me: I played a show last year -- again, this is right before COVID -- in Baltimore, and there was a little girl sitting with her parents, probably about 5-6 years old, she really little, and after the show, her father came up with her and said, "I just want you to know this little girl has been listening to 'Chasing Nightmares' over and over and over and over again. She found you on a playlist on Spotify, and we saw you were randomly coming to Baltimore, so we drove 45 minutes to come see you." I started bawling because I'm still such a small artist, you know? To even hear, number one, that anybody would even come that far to see me is crazy, and then people who I don't know, that's cool, too. To be completely out of New Jersey and have that happen with like... I think I cried for hours after that. I would say those are my highlights, for sure.
That's always a great feeling to know -- in any profession -- that what you do means something to somebody, and that that's how they're spending their downtime, their free time. They're connecting with something you created.
It's literally crazy. I've only been doing this for about three years, and I'm just a local artist here in New Jersey. So the fact that people want to hear it and it's not going on deaf ears, it's just one of those things that keeps you going.
Are there any words of advice or encouragement that you would give to people -- and not just artists, but really anyone -- who are trying to wrap their heads around how much the world has changed and are trying to stay productive, or just stay mentally healthy? What would you say to them?
Oh man, I wish I had the answers because I'm still working on it myself. I think, personally, what's helped me is I think I allow myself the time to take a break if I need to, instead of forcing it. So for me, specifically when it comes to being creative or trying to put this pressure on myself to write a new song that I think is great, I think sometimes it's OK to tell yourself, "You know what? I need a break right now. There's no pressure. The song will come when it comes," and I think that's with anything that anyone wants to do or create. Just let yourself off the hook a little bit and be kind to yourself because I definitely think it's hard when a lot of things in the world right now are out of our control. The only thing we can control right now is ourselves and how we handle it. For me, it's been working on being kinder to myself and not putting so much pressure on myself to create. Also, I've actually been journaling a lot. I find that it can be very therapeutic, especially in these times where, although we have social media and we have video chats and things like that, it still does feel lonely and disconnected sometimes. So I think it definitely helps to write things down and get it out.
Is there anyone who you'd like to give a shout-out to, whether it's family or friends or other artists or favorite restaurants that are closed or business or anything?
I think it's important to think about supporting independent artists and independent music, but also local mom and pop businesses. I think right now they are the ones that are hurting the most. So my shout-out is to all those who have been pushing through when it's been a difficult time, when it's hard, and just a shout out to all the people who've been staying strong and pushing through and still creating. I know it's been hard, too, as a musician, with shows canceled and we're trying our best. So shout out to all the people that are struggling and doing their best.
PART 2 - March 2022
I saw that on Instagram that you had posted a little sneak peek clip of your new single, "Falling Apart." How long has this song been brewing, and how did it get to where it is now?
That's a very good question because I feel like this song has been the longest journey of all my originals. During 2020, when we were obviously all in lockdown, I found myself not super inspired, but there was one day where I just got this melody and idea in my head for a song, and I would play it on the piano over and over again, and I knew that this would be a really catchy chorus. I had lyrics ready for it and everything, but no matter what I did, I couldn't finish the song. So I just kind of put it on the shelf, put it aside and was like, "Whatever, maybe I'll finish it another someday."
I had already been familiar with April Rose Gabrielli's music prior to all of this. She was in a bunch of different rock bands and we had connected a little bit on social media at some point. When I first started doing music in 2018-2019, I had always been a big fan of her writing and her music, and so she released her first solo single called "Do You" and as soon as I heard it, I was like, "You need to tell me who produced this. This is just incredible. I love it. I've been trying to figure out a way to take my music to a different... I don't want to say a "different level" because that sounds so cliché, but literally try and go a little bit more outside my comfort zone." She was like, "Oh, actually, I produced it, along with Kulick" and I was like, "Well, how do I work with you guys? I need to find a way to make this happen."
I brought them the chorus, the melody that I had, and the lyrics that I had, and I went out to see them for a week -- they live out in Pennsylvania -- and we just spent the weekend finishing the song, writing and producing and recording it. Everything was done in two days. I was just so proud of it, and it was just such a really good experience working with the two of them because I absolutely admire them as artists, but as writers as well. So I a lot of fun.
I love the lyrics, "I keep on falling apart in all of the right places, taking my time to find the right pieces." What can you tell us about the lyric-writing process? What initially inspired it? Was it something from personal experience?
It definitely came from a personal experience. I'm trying to be to honest and more vulnerable when I talk about the stories behind my songs. Around that time, I had just been diagnosed with an eating disorder, and I felt very confused. I had been doing a lot of reflecting about how it took me this long to kind of figure out what was going on and how hard the work was and the healing process was. So the idea behind the song was that, yeah, sometimes you have to fall apart and you have to break and you have to do all these really hard things in order to get to a better place and to be, whether it be in recovery or whatever it might be, that your struggle is, right? Sometimes you just have to pull out that splinter. It's going to hurt, but afterward it's going to be a lot better. So one of the things I wanted to do with this song was show that it's OK to feel vulnerable. It's okay that we have to suffer and struggle and all of those things. But I wanted it to be uplifting and empowering, that it's worth it.
That's a beautiful message. Thank you for sharing that.
A great thing about music is the way that it can make people feel less alone, give them a sense of belonging, and keep them pushing through. I know music has helped me get through some really tough times. It's just such an amazing medium in that way.
It also is a testament to your artistry, that you can write/create something that can bring people in. It's kind of like you give your listeners permission to just sit and stop and reflect on the things and the people that they have in their lives, which I think is really important to soak up.
That makes me so happy to hear that you hear that because I feel like that's something I've been working on for myself. I think I've always been very good at just being like, "OK, I don't need to feel sad. I need to find something to make me feel better, or what is the point of feeling this feeling," right? I feel like I have been working really hard to embrace that. Embrace those feelings, allow yourself to feel them. It's OK. We don't have to sit in them forever, but there's nothing wrong with having them. A lot of times, I write these songs as my own sort of therapy to remind myself, "OK, you know, Jackie, it's OK if you're crying right now. It's OK if you're having a tough time right now because you know what? It will get better. This is all part of life and you're going to be OK." My music, I feel like there are these very serious topics, but I tend to make the music and production... I like it to be fun and uplifting. There is that pop element. This song, it's just such a serious topic, but I have made it very playful, which you'll see in the video. I took a very emotional, serious topic for myself, but things can be serious but you can still laugh and you can still be playful regardless of that, you know? Hopefully, that will come across in the video.
Yes! How did you meet the director? Who came up with the concept for the music video?
So his name is Tom Flynn, and he is amazing. He was actually a referral from April Rose Gabrielli and Kulik. They both have worked with him for some of their different music videos, and when I saw the work that he had done, I was like, "Oh my God, I have to work with this guy!" We had a call about the song, he listened to the song, I sent him lyrics, gave him some understanding about what my intentions were behind the song and what it meant for me, and he was like, "I have this crazy idea. You're either going to love it or you're going to hate it." He kind of gave me the idea, and then we worked together to flesh it out a little bit more. But yeah, it was mostly Tom. I just thought it was great because it kind of has that whimsical feeling, that kind of vibe that I go for.
The people that were in this video were all friends of mine. Some are other musicians in the Jersey music scene. They were really good sports. It was a very cold day. It was late fall or early winter. I want to say like November or December. So yeah, it was very cold. I felt terrible. But they're all good friends.
Where did you film? Is it filmed in New Jersey?
Yeah, actually it's in my neighborhood, in South Amboy.
How did you find the costume for the main character? Was it handmade?
Oh my gosh, no. We bought it online.
Who is the actor who's in the costume?
So, he is going to create a reveal video that I will post on social media so you can see who it is. He's an amazing guy and really knocked it out of the park. To be able to do any sort of acting while wearing a head like that, it just shows he did a great job.
Tell us more about April Rose and Kulick.
They are like the dynamic duo. I swear, they make magic when they work together. They're both touring musicians. April's actually in Kulick's band. She plays the keys and backup vocals. She also has her solo project, which is going incredible. Her song "Do You", which was her first single, was charting on Billboard Hot A/C [Adult Contemporary] Charts and things like that. They're both just amazing, and I feel so incredibly blessed and lucky to have had the opportunity to work with them, but also to now say they're my friends. They're just really great people.
When we went to write this song together, when I went out to Pennsylvania, it was maybe October. I honestly was really forcing myself to do it. I had not been very inspired. I had not really done much with my music in a while. I released some covers last year, but for the most part, I hadn't released anything original in about a year. I was like, "I'm going to do this. You're going to work with new people. You're going to. It's going to be good. It's going to be good." I left that weekend feeling so re-inspired and feeling like, "OK, I still love this, thank God!"
Where did you record “Falling Apart”?
With them. They co-wrote with me, produced, mixed, mastered -- all of the above. They're very multitalented people. They have a home studio, and it's amazing and beautiful. It was just such a great experience, and it was a very comfortable experience, too. I think sometimes when you're in these more formal big studios, it can be very intimidating -- at least for me. I felt very comfortable being there with them, and it was just really nice. They have this adorable dog named Ellie who made it even more fun. It was really a great experience.
Do you have any other songs/projects in the works?
It's funny, I feel like in the past -- because I started doing this whole music thing so late in life -- I felt like I was rushing everything and having to get the next song out and the next one, and this and that. I feel like I'm at a point now where I'm like, "You know what? That's exhausting." If I get a bunch of song ideas in my head and I decide to record and release them, great, I will do that. But for now... I mean, I definitely have a phone filled with melody, ideas, and concepts and things, but nothing fleshed out. Everything is really just in lots of little pieces, and hopefully they'll turn into something kind of like "Falling Apart" did, where it just kind of started with a little piece of a couple of things and then it came to life when I found the right collaborators. So, we will see.
The music business, whether it be on a local level or a global level, moves very quickly and people can forget about you very quickly and people want to hear the next thing right away. But you know what? Putting the pressure on yourself to keep up with that just takes a lot of the joy out of what you're doing. For me, I do this because I love it, and if people listen to it, that's a bonus. If people want to play it, and when it comes to a show, that's a bonus. But I just don't I don't want to feel that pressure, you know?
Is there anyone new who you'd like to give a shout-out to?
I have to give a huge shout-out to April and Kulick. You guys need to check them out! April Rose Gabrielli and Kulick. They are both incredible artists that are releasing just such great music, and they're also really wonderful people to support and they have been so supportive of me. They've really changed my way of thinking with a lot of stuff in music that can sometimes make you feel a little bad or make you feel a little bit knocked down. They are just so uplifting, talented, wonderful human beings. So, everyone, check them out! They're great.
Last year, you mentioned some of the career highlights that you had. Have fans still been reaching out to you?
I actually just saw a family friend last night and her daughter was like, "I told my friends that I know a singer." The little kids are just too cute. She was telling me, she's like, "I love your song 'Wildflower.'" I think she's 8 years old. Just hearing that, especially from little girls, I just wish I had someone like that in my life, especially with music, growing up as a kid.
Yeah, that is so important for little girls to have positive role models.
I noticed from this interview and also from your last one, you're so modest. For the caliber that your music is at in terms of the lyrics and the melody and the artistry, really, you have some bragging rights. You've got really solid work that you've put out.
Oh, you're going to make me cry now.
Feel free to brag. You've earned bragging rights!
Thank you. I'm definitely very proud of myself. I never thought I would be able to do any of this, let alone write originals, record them, and share them with people. So it's just... To me, I'm just very proud of myself.
I'm so excited for the music video for "Falling Apart" to drop and see what people's responses are.
Me, too! When you listen, you're going to know it's Jackie June song, but it's definitely taking it to a different place, which I'm really excited about.
Interview with Paul Haley and John Ramsburg of Thrill Ride
By Sonia Schnee | Posted Saturday, March 12, 2022
Punk n’ roll band, Thrill Ride, brought some much-needed joy to passersby in South Orange-Maplewood (SOMA, for short) when they decided to move their practice sessions outdoors during the pandemic. I spoke with Paul Haley (guitar/vocals) and John Ramsburg (bass/vocals) of Thrill Ride at the end of March 2021, and now, almost a full year later, it’s interesting to see what things have changed and what has stayed the same. Paul and John are both cool guys, so it was a blast to learn about the inspiration behind their sound, their songs, and how their music has been received locally as well as internationally.
Joined by their drummer, Will Kramer — plus the band Forget the Whale — Thrill Ride will be performing live at Picket’s Village Bar in Maplewood on Saturday, March 19th, 7-10pm. Be sure to check it out! Also, be sure to follow Thrill Ride on social media for up-to-date announcements about new recordings and shows.
Thrill Ride is on Portland, OR via NYC via Buffalo, NY's Honey Puller Records.
Watch our interview above, or read the transcript below.
(Video and transcript have been edited for time and clarity.)
What are your names, where are you from, and what do you do? What do you play?
JOHN RAMSBURG: I'm John Ramsburg. I play the bass, I sing, and I write some of the songs in Thrill Ride.
PAUL HALEY: My name is Paul Haley. I'm the guitarist. John and I, we share songwriting responsibilities. We live in SOMA, NJ. I don't know what the outsiders think of that term, but we in South Orange or Maplewood call it "SOMA" for short. Will Kramer, our drummer, also lives in Maplewood.
Thrill Ride is actually the remaining members of our previous band, Dollar Store Riot. Thea Kearney, our singer at the time, needed to take a break. Dollar Store Riot went on hiatus, and John, Will, and I looked at each other and said, "Well, do we want to keep going or what?" We decided to keep going, so we came up with a new name, Thrill Ride, and we've been going ever since.
John came into the band shortly after Dollar Store Riot played Maplewoodstock back in 2016. It's probably the biggest musical event in Maplewood every year, every summer. Of course, last summer they canceled it because of the pandemic and, hopefully, we'll get back to that, but it's a very fun event. Dollar Store Riot had the opportunity to play. That was our original bass player's last show. I think John saw us playing and we offered him the job, which he happily took. Do I have the history right, John?
JOHN RAMSBURG: Yeah. So I've been friends with the drummer, Will, for quite some time. Our boys are the same age, went to school together. So when their bass player left, he knew that I played bass and asked me to audition. I got the part, learned all their songs, and we played for a while.
PAUL HALEY: It's kind of funny, John. You were in the band for, like, 17 minutes and then we put him in a Dollar Store Riot video.
JOHN RAMSBURG: Yeah, I'm in a video. It's not even my bass!
For first-time listeners, how would you describe your sound, and who are your musical influences?
PAUL HALEY: Oh, God. It'll take me three days to list mine. You go first, John.
JOHN RAMSBURG: Basically, your standard alternative garage. "Dad bands" is what they call us around town now. Our influences are The Police, The Clash, Buffalo Tom. All three of us come from very similar yet varied enough backgrounds where we each bring something interesting when we're working on new songs. If you liked to listen to 120 Minutes back in the day on MTV, you'd probably enjoy watching one of our shows.
PAUL HALEY: John and I share a bunch of favorite bands. When I hear our music, especially that last song that you added to the NJ Artists You Should Know (2021) playlist, "Shelf", it kind of reminds me of a The-Police-meets-The-Clash kind of thing.
I also hear a lot of what I like to call "punk n' roll." I hear Social Distortion. I hear many different influences coming in. Definitely, I wouldn't be playing guitar if it wasn't for bands like Buffalo Tom and The Lemonheads —that pop-influenced fuzz rock, overdriven rock, and things like that.
Will [Kramer] went to college out in the Seattle area — I think Evergreen State — and he grew up in the Boston area, so he definitely brings a lot of influences from there. It's kind of interesting how it all comes together. Will, John, and I definitely click. We could start playing something and it'll all start falling together.
I saw that you did a quarantine series on social media and YouTube. Whose idea was that?
PAUL HALEY: Well, we just can't sit around. I mean, the funny thing is — and I kind of said this to the band — even though the pandemic hit last year, Thrill Ride was very productive, and I don't know if it was just a timing thing, but John, didn't we release like five or six songs?
JOHN RAMSBURG: Well, we got lucky in that we had gotten in the studio and recorded a bunch of scratch tracks right before they shut everything down. So then I was able to record from home and sent tracks in to our buddy, Tom. He does all of our mixing and recording. Will and Paul would pop in when it was safe. Paul gets tested every week, so it was safer for him to go in than for me. I was more comfortable staying home. But yeah, it was frustrating because we had planned a five-song EP. We recorded a bunch of the scratch tracks, and then we had to stop everything. So we used part of that to put out the videos. So, we all recorded separately, listening to the same song. I edited a bunch of it together and posted it up. Then when we had time, we'd work through one of the songs, get it mixed, and put it out. So then our five-song EP became this slow drip of singles that kept coming out. It kept us moving, which is good.
Congrats on your most recent release, "Catching a Reset." I like the lyrics!
PAUL HALEY: Oh yeah. Ha!
What's the story behind that? Is that about someone specific?
PAUL HALEY: I was trying to remember who wrote the lyrics, and I said, "Oh, wait, I wrote those!" I'll plead the fifth on a lot of that. Especially the chorus.
John handled that song very well. When he was learning to sing this song, I sent him the lyrics. Then when we went to record, he had the original lyrics that I had since revised. When I heard him do it, I was like, "I thought I gave you revised lyrics" and he was like, "No, these are it", and I'm like, "Well, those are the original lyrics." You remember that, John? I said, "OK, we'll leave that. I like that." I guess I had to hear the original ones again. I'm kind of glad that he got the original lyrics as opposed to the revised ones.
JOHN RAMSBURG: He had so many words per minute, it was off the charts, especially for one of our songs. We're very short, succinct. Tom Lucas, our engineer, said it's our “prog” song.
I like it! What's the name of Tom's studio?
JOHN RAMSBURG: Laughing Boys Recording.
PAUL HALEY: Laughing Boys is out of South Orange. I'll probably get this wrong a little bit, but Tom was a producer in New York for many years and then he built a home studio. It's a home away from home. He's a great guy, I mean, all-around good guy. He plays in every band in South Orange and Maplewood. I can't think of one band he never stepped into, except maybe ours. He added tracks to some of our songs, and even Dollar Store Riot songs. Some, we didn't even know he was going to do. I was listening to, I think it was the last Dollar Store Riot song we recorded. I heard organs in the chorus and I'm like, "Did we record that?" So I went to Tom. Tom, he is a sweetheart. I always say he's "the glue of SOMA", the music. He's just so involved. I said, "Tom, did you record organ?" He goes, "Yeah, I felt like doing that. What do you think?" I said, "Yeah, it sounds great!" I recommend everybody to go to his studio to record, for sure. One block off of South Orange Avenue.
That's nice that you have a short commute from your homes to the recording studio.
PAUL HALEY: John can basically hit Tom's house with a rock. I'm a little bit farther, but it's still very close. Tom's great to work with. He'll give you feedback. You know, a lot of studios, they're demanding money. With Tom, you've got to remind him, "Hey, we owe you some money." He'll be like, "Oh, yeah." You know what I mean? He does it for the love of the music. That's a great person to work with, for sure. So we're very lucky in that respect.
The song that was added to the playlist, "Shelf", has some French in it. I speak zero French, so I went into Google Translate.
PAUL HALEY: That was John's brilliant idea. Those organs that you have, it’s all John. That's a John song from start to finish. I mean that in the highest regard. It's a fantastic song. John, I don't think I ever told you, but I love the fact that you put French in it. I think it's great.
JOHN RAMSBURG: I woke up one morning and I had the whole song, the verse-chorus. I ran downstairs. It's one of those moments where I was like, "I gotta write this down." I got my phone, a recorder, and I just played it straight out and it was done, the song was over. I showed it to the guys and we came up with the bridge, so it wasn't a minute long. The French is the first verse just repeated. I don't know where I got the idea for the French, but I just started singing it in French, my broken high school French, and it stuck. In just, like, five minutes I had the song done. That's the only time that's ever happened to me in my life.
PAUL HALEY: I have to say, that's definitely one of my favorite songs in our catalog. It's a fun, catchy song. John really put a great song together for us.
Do you have any special collaborations, any tidbits that you can drop about what we can expect for this new selection?
JOHN RAMSBURG: Well, the one song we were working on at this last rehearsal, it's called "Started to Stop." I actually wrote it with my daughter. She's 11 now, but she was 10 when we wrote it.
PAUL HALEY: The next song we're working on is a song called "Ride" that John also wrote. Again, a fun song to play.
JOHN RAMSBURG: I like working with Will and Paul because a lot of the times when I write songs at home, it's more like alt-country for the sound because I just sit with my acoustic guitar and play something either sad or trying to tell a bit of a story. Then I bring it to them, and they're like, "OK, so we're going to play it faster than this, right?" and then it progresses and becomes our grungy, punky feel that we have. So "Ride" started like that. When I play it on the piano, it sounds more like a Springsteen song than when we play it together as a band. It's like a straight Social Distortion-esque rockabilly style. So it comes at you really fast and just keeps on going right to the end. Very danceable. I want to see people dancing at our gigs.
So you both have a hand in the songwriting. So do you start with the lyrics first? What's that process like, and do you draw largely upon personal experiences?
JOHN RAMSBURG: For me, it all happens at the same time. I'll be messed around with some chords or have an idea and the words will just come out. They might be nonsensical, but I might get a core of something I want to talk about, and then I'll expand off of that on the lyrics. Sometimes I'm inspired by sitting on the train, New Jersey Transit. I heard a couple talking. They were basically saying, "We've gotta slow this relationship down." That's where "Chill Out" came from.
"Half as Much" is more about the social media obsession I was going through at the time, where I was just never present, I was always looking at my phone, and there was no reciprocation because it's social media — it doesn't care. Things like that. So I've pulled from all over. Sometimes I hear a song and I'll say, "I really like the way that song sounds" and I try to figure out that chord structure and see what I can change to make it mine and then build on that. So just a little bit of everything. It's a potpourri of songwriting.
PAUL HALEY: I would say usually it's the guitar riff that comes together. I'll dig through a bunch of lyrics and not like any of them. I tend to be more of a stickler with the lyrics. I can tell you that every line that I write means something. The meaning may be a subtle joke or somebody in mind. I would argue that all the lyrics that I write are usually about somebody.
When I think of songs like "Over His Emo", it's about one specific person.
"Beat a Skip" is, again, about a specific person. We wrote a really, really heroin chic version of it, and then one day we just decided to speed it up, and so we got two versions of it. We tend to play to the methamphetamine version of it now. I like playing it both ways, but I have to say the faster way is the fun way to play it.
I got this little acoustic guitar that I bought my son a long time ago. It's one of those three-quarter travel ones. I have it right next to the couch. I'll be watching March Madness and working on a riff and be like "Oh, this works!" But it's usually the riff first and then the lyrics, for sure.
You have a pretty international following.
PAUL HALEY: That's all John. He's got the connections.
What was it like, the first time you had someone outside of the US contact you and say, "Hey, I discovered you"?
JOHN RAMSBURG: I was checking either CD Baby or Spotify for Artists, and I saw someone in Vietnam had listened to our whole album, which I thought was great. So that was cool because Paul's right, I have friends who live in Europe and Canada. Their friends are nice, they take a listen to it. But now it's starting to pop up in different playlists, which is pretty cool because I'm not doing this to be famous. I really enjoy writing and playing music, and I have a fun time doing it, and if other people like what I put down, that's great.
PAUL HALEY: There were some interesting ones that popped up. It makes you wonder. Actually, while we're talking, I think I'll look!
JOHN RAMSBURG: To hear or see that there are other people who like the music enough to listen to it again on Spotify, or they're discovering it on their own separate from me somehow, I just think it's cool. I'm very grateful. It's very humbling.
You both have kids that are in their teen years. Do all their friends know about the band? Do they come to shows? Have they given you feedback? What's that like?
PAUL HALEY: My kids are a little bit older than John's. I've got a junior and a freshman. I don't know if they ever listen to it, but every once in a while my oldest son, Aiden, will come and say, "Oh, I saw somebody in town wearing your band shirt." He'll say it just like that. My youngest, Liam, none of his friends say anything, but some of Aiden's friends have said things to me, like "Oh, I heard your new song. It sounds great."
JOHN RAMSBURG: My boy's older. He's in seventh grade, and one of his friends really, really likes us. He has our stickers on his wall, on his desk. He has both versions of our T-shirt. His parents come and see our shows a lot. You know, we're a neighborhood band. A lot of our friends come see us when we do gigs around town.
My daughter, she does backing vocals on "Bleed For Three", but that's about it. Her friends are like, they don't care. My kids don't care when we're playing. It's like, "Oh, are you going to come to the gig?" They're like, "Well, who's going to be there?" and then they go play with their friends while we're doing the show, you know? That's about it.
PAUL HALEY: I think the funniest thing is when you walk around SOMA or you're driving somewhere and you see somebody with the shirt. I saw someone a couple of months ago, and I just started laughing because you just don't expect to see it. I'm like, "Oh, wow, somebody actually owns one of our shirts!" It's cool. It's fun.
Do your coworkers know what you do? Have they come to shows?
JOHN RAMSBURG: When we play in the city, a couple of people I work with will come out, which is nice. It's good, too, because we're normally one of the first sets. At 7 or 8 o'clock, no one's in the bar anyway, so actually having people show up makes it more than just a glorified practice. Some of my coworkers and ex-coworkers from previous jobs still keep tabs on the band. I let them know when we have a new release out and they'll listen. Some of them ask for the new shirts, so Paul's kind enough to ship them out.
PAUL HALEY: With my new job here, our office is officially open but we only have about four or five people, and I don't really know everybody yet. It was kind of weird, like this week there was somebody actually sitting a safe distance away from me. After months of nobody, it was like a Cast Away kind of moment. I was like, "Whoa! Are you going to be here tomorrow?" because it kind of freaked me out! I'm just not used to so many people here, you know? But my bigger point is I really am just starting to get to know people, and it's kind of difficult when no one's in the office and you're just depending on Teams or Zoom and stuff like that. No one even knows that I play music yet, and that's OK.
JOHN RAMSBURG: In my office, our global office newsletter actually included either the video for "Last Night" or "Chill Out." It was in the beginning of the pandemic when they were saying, "This is what people are doing while they're at home." So a whole bunch of people in my company found out that way, and I got positive feedback from that. So that was nice, to get exposure any way you can.
What would you say are some of the highlights that you've experienced so far, either as individual musicians/songwriters or collectively as a band?
PAUL HALEY: I think 2020 is a highlight for me. I think we played two shows before the pandemic hit, and then we were able to play an outdoor show on November 20th or something like that, right, John? You would think would be cold and nasty, but it turned out to be, like, 68 degrees and we were playing outdoors on Springfield Ave at this open market kind of thing. So many people showed up.
There are so many bands in SOMA, NJ and beyond that we're friends with, that we get to play with. Recording and getting those singles out in 2020, I think those are the highlights for me — just continuing to play despite the pandemic and everything else and playing with our friends and having friends come and see us. People were aching so much [to see live music] in November. I got so many texts like, "Hey, I drove by and saw your band!" I would consider that a highlight, and just getting those songs out. That momentum.
JOHN RAMSBURG: This band is actually the first one where I actually got to step up front and do the writing and singing and have a lot of support. The other bands I've been with have been supportive, I really liked working with them. One of my really good friends from college and I've been in a band forever and he is an amazing musician and singer, and I was always happy to be playing bass and working with him on his songs, but being able to finally come out in Thrill Ride and say, "Here are my songs. Do you want to play them?" and Paul and Will are like, "Yes, let's do this" and the affirmation that comes along with that, it's like, "I can do this!" Also, accepting the fact that a song's never really going to be finished, but I'm going to say it's good enough for me to play it out loud for people to hear. I think those are good personal highlights for me, just accepting that I can do this, and I'm really enjoying it. It's fun.
I was a theater major in school, so acting and stuff and being in front of people was fine for me, but I always felt that songwriting and singing was never something I was very strong at. So being able to overcome that with this group is the biggest highlight.
Also, some of the places we've gotten to play, like Asbury Park, Pianos in the city, just a lot of venues that I'd walk by or see other friends' bands play, and just popping in and getting to meet all these other great bands. This community here in South Orange-Maplewood, getting to play with our friends Tri-State, there's Maplewolf. They're a country cover band and they're great and it's fun to do a set with them because it just flips everything on its head when you're doing sets together. I love playing in this town. Everyone's so supportive. I can't wait to play gigs with some of the new bands that are coming up, like Thea [Kearney]'s band, Megasparkle. I think it'd be fun to go play with them, too.
PAUL HALEY: John and I also have radio shows on Bone Pool Radio. I tend to do a lot of mixed shows. I'm 30 shows in — Paulie’s Boutique, it's called. Whenever I do a mixed show, it's an eclectic mix. I always made sure to put a local band in the show. Then, I increased it from one local band — and this basically means SOMA, NJ and beyond, but in New Jersey — and then I decided, well, I can't keep up with this, I have to add two. Then eventually it turned into where I just put together two exclusive shows about all the great bands in New Jersey, and I'm not even done yet! You can probably relate to that. Then I realize that every time I put one of those exclusive shows together, I forgot about all these bands over here.
SOMA, NJ has so many great bands within close vicinity, a lot of fantastic bands. I don't want to speak on behalf of John, but I feel very lucky to be part of that whole musical scene, being friends with all these bands. Everybody gets along playing along, and it's just a great thing. I hope to see it continue. It's definitely a fun scene. It took a little bit of time to come to fruition, but it definitely did. There are all these great bands, from the doom metal Green Dragon, to what I call the "Indigo Girls-sound" of Marry the Sea, to Tom Lucas of Laughing Boys Recording. He's got that great band, Sad About Girls. It's just crazy.
Two last questions. Are there any dream collaborations you would love to do with artists or bands — alive or dead? Also, where can people find you and connect with you online?
JOHN RAMSBURG: We are on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter @thrillridebandnj. You can find us on Spotify, Apple Music, and iTunes. Google "Thrill Ride." You can also hear us played on Bone Pool Radio. That's an iHeartRadio station, so you can check them out there. That's the New Jersey local station where Paul and I have shows.
You can reach out to me on Instagram and Facebook if you want to talk about band stuff. I'm always happy to chat. Same with Paul Haley. You can look us up any time.
So Paul, who would you want to play with?
PAUL HALEY: You said "alive or dead." I would love a chance to play with The Clash, or maybe when hell freezes over and The Smiths get back together. Another one of my favorite bands, Buffalo Tom. If I had to collaborate, I'd probably do it with members of local bands. Members of Tri-State, I would love to have a chance to play with. Allied Chemical is no more, but I would love to have a chance to play with some of those guys. Tom Lucas of Laughing Boys Recording and Sad About Girls, for sure. So, definitely a lot of local bands.
JOHN RAMSBURG: I like a lot of different styles. I'm obsessed with Toad the Wet Sprocket ever since I was in high school, so I would love to get a chance just to play, let alone hang out with Glen Phillips and just see how he does his songwriting or just playing, jamming some songs, just having a good time with them. Lucero, an alt-country band. Not everybody's heard of them, but they write some really beautiful, heartfelt music. I really enjoy the way they write a song. If I had a chance to go back and sit with Black Sabbath and play bass along. I love blues metal. It's just fantastic. I was just listening to an earlier Wolfmother record. That guy changes his band every three weeks, so if I can get a cycle in there for one tour, that'd be awesome.
To what Paul was saying about collaborating locally, I've had this idea knocking around my head for a while where we do a charity record, but we all do a cover of somebody else's song in town. I think that would be a lot of fun.
Is there anything else that you'd like to add that I haven't asked you about or that we haven't discussed yet?
PAUL HALEY: I want to give a plug for Bone Pool Radio. Everybody should give Bone Pool Radio a listen, not necessarily for John or my show, but just overall listen to it, www.BonePoolRadio.com. They've got the app, iHeartRadio. They have their own app. It's just a great radio station. John and I are friends with the owner [Michelle S. Lomuscio]. She always wanted to have a radio station, so she made one. It's a lot of fun to do, and it's just great to have a radio station again. So whoever wants to listen, definitely give it a listen. It's a great station.
Interview with Katie Miller (Kate Dressed Up)
By Sonia Schnee | Posted Thursday, March 3, 2022
If you find yourself part of Katie Miller’s inner circle, consider yourself lucky. Over the years, this South Jersey singer-songwriter has managed to surround herself with a diverse group of creative and talented people, sending the right energy out into the universe and attracting it back. When I first spoke with Katie (almost exactly a year ago) her band Kate Dressed Up had just released a single and an accompanying music video for the song “Ride Home.” Now, a year later, Katie has released a second song, entitled “The Fountain”, this time accompanied by a beautifully produced animated short. As it goes, a lot has happened in Katie’s life over the course of a year, but what has remained constant is her dedication to her craft, her practice of gratitude, and her ability to continue welcoming people in with open arms.
To learn more about Katie Miller and Kate Dressed Up, watch our interview above or read the transcript below. Be sure to follow Kate Dressed Up on social media and/or sign up for their newsletter so you can be the first to know about upcoming performances and the release date of Kate Dressed Up’s upcoming album.
(Video and transcript have been edited for time and clarity.)
Interview Part 1 (February 2021)
What's your name? Where are you from? What do you do?
KATIE MILLER: My name is Katie Miller. I currently live in Moorestown, NJ, and I have a band called Kate Dressed Up. I'm also in school right now for electrical engineering, and I do a few other things here and there.
Wow. Electrical engineering. I wasn't expecting that! That's pretty cool.
I just started a little less than a year ago because with the pandemic and the whole music industry being really wonky right now, it just seemed like a good time to kind of diversify, I guess.
For first-time listeners, how would you describe your sound? What musical influences do you draw from?
I was thinking about this earlier, actually, because it's a fairly common question and I always have a hard time answering it, but I would say lately, and for this record, there is some Sheryl Crow in there. There's some Bright Eyes, some Fleet Foxes, anything kind of in that indie-folk world.
I always have my acoustic guitar as kind of the centerpiece, at least in the writing process, and so that determines a lot of the rest of the sound palette that I use.
Congratulations on your new single, "Ride Home", off of your upcoming album. You also had a music video that you released. What was that whole process like? How long were you working on the song? What inspired it? Can you give us any behind-the-scenes tidbits?
I began writing most of it, I would say, 2017 into 2018. Right around the time that I was going to start self-producing it, which I had done with previous works, I met my current producer. His name is Ravi Bhavsar. He goes by SPHMRE [pronounced SOPH-O-MORE]. He was working at a place called Flux Studios in New York City. Basically, through a very weird kind of butterfly effect chain of events, we linked up and hit it off instantly. After going back and forth with just a one-off song that we did together, he actually offered to do the entire album for me/with me, and so what we basically did was we just worked in Flux any time that it wasn't booked. It's a super busy studio, so we ended up doing sessions from midnight to 4:00 in the morning. We worked from noon to midnight on the 4th of July one year. We worked on New Year's Day 2020. So basically, this has been a year's long process now because of the way that we went about making this, and we really took our time with it, which is something that I'm learning not all artists get to do in the studio.
Regarding the video, I'd been familiar with Bob Sweeney's work for a while, and so when it came time for me to reach out for someone to do the video, he was an obvious choice for me. I was lucky enough that he was down to do it. The other actress in the video, her name is Leah Scully. I've known her since my freshman year of college, so I reached out and asked if she would want to do it and she was down. My brother, who produced my first two EPs, was on set with us and was helping during the day, too. We shot that out behind the house I grew up. It backs up onto a lot of state land up in North Jersey. It kind of just fit the mood. Bob is super talented. He brought this great vision to life that just totally brings a new dimension to the song. So I'm very excited about both the song and the video.
It's beautifully shot. I was like, "Is that shot on film, or was it shot digitally and then had cinematic effects added to it?" The sun, the time of the day that you shot, it came together really beautifully.
Thank you. The very next day was the first day that it snowed that year, so we got it right at the perfect time when it was like that dead kind of end-of-fall vibe going on. The very next day, it looked totally different. So that was pretty cool.
It looked like it was cold. Was it cold?
It definitely was cold, yeah. My friend Leah is a trooper. She was just wearing a dress of mine that I wore to a wedding a few years ago. She did really great that day, too.
What is your process like in terms of writing songs? Does the music comes first and then the lyrics? Do you see a movie playing in your head and you write a story? Or is it based on personal experiences?
It's part fiction and part nonfiction is kind of what ends up happening. There's not really a set process for me, necessarily. A lot of times it'll just be little dribbles of lines or notes here and there, and sometimes those will grow into songs, and then other times I'll hear the whole thing all at once and it's done.
I'll be inspired by something that I observe or experience in my day-to-day, and then that transforms itself through the writing process into something that's "me" but it's also separate from me. I don't know how else to really explain it. Then other times, a song just comes out of nowhere, and then a year or two later, I'll be like, "Oh, that's what that was about" and it makes sense in retrospect.
You started out as a solo project and now you're a five-piece band. What inspired that? Who are your bandmates?
A big part of the reason that I started as a solo project is because a previous bandmate of mine, who's actually with one of my current bandmates and my best friend, logistically our lives kind of physically separated us, and so our project took a backseat because of the way that life happens.
From the beginning, I always wanted my best friends Vin [Karaitis] and Elyse [Kiedaisch] to be a part of Kate Dressed Up. The two of them were pretty much always non-negotiable from the start. We've been singing together for pretty much a decade now, and the three of us have just been very much a unit through our late teens into adult lives. Vin is one of the best musicians and the best songwriter that I know, period. He's just next level. Elyse is one of the best singers I know.
There have been a lot of other iterations of Kate Dressed Up over the past two and a half or so years. My cousin Christopher, who's a drummer, and my friend Elaine Rasnake, who owns Daughterboard Audio — she's a Mastering Engineer — they were in the band at times.
Going into 2020, I had plans to take the band on a real full band national tour. I planned that with my business partner, Mickey [Skabla]. I set up the band to be me and Vin. Ryan Hilsinger, who is a producer and owns AGL Sounds which is a studio in New Jersey, he's a drummer. I asked him to come on tour and he was down, so I added him. My friend Nick [Iacobelli], who I actually met through Christopher in a previous iteration of the band, is an incredible bassist and an incredible musician, like next level. Same thing as Vin. They're like freaks. So are Ryan and Elyse, honestly. They're all kind of like musical freaks in my eyes, in the best possible way. Nick, I'm lucky enough that he likes my band and my music and he was down to come on tour.
Then when the tour fell through, I just asked them if they wanted to stay in the band and keep making music even though there's not really any prospects right now, and they all said yes, and so we've been making more music. This current lineup that I have is like… Something is making sense in a way that it hasn't yet, that I've been looking for. So I'm feeling good. I'm feeling excited about releasing all this new stuff and having them back me up.
What are you most looking forward to in 2021, assuming the world opens up more than it has and things return a little more to "normal"?
I'm getting married in May. I was supposed to get married last May, and you know, everything happened.
We have more songs in the pipeline. We have a ten-song full LP in the pipeline. Ravi engineered all the production at Flux, and he's also mixing and mastering it. At this point, years we've been working together, our visions have not diverged at all, like musically and in the sound palette and what the finished product should sound like. He understands my imagination of the songs and not only understands it, but he also supplements it and agrees with a lot of my tastes and ideas and supports me to bring them all to fruition and manifest this vision together, so it's cool.
When Ravi and I'm very first met, there was definitely just an understanding. We musically clicked right off the bat, which was cool because Ravi mostly produces hip hop, and so him working on my stuff is really different for him, and it was a new thing for me to be working not with my brother as a producer. It's been just amazing. This album, the whole thing has live drums, which is fun. I had a drummer from New Brunswick, Evan Tsioni, and he's just extremely talented. I'm lucky that he played on these songs. That was fun for me, too.
So take us back to the beginning. Do you come from a musical family?
Both sides of my family — moms and dads — there are musicians on both sides. In my house growing up, my dad played the guitar. He was the musician. So that was just always around. I started with piano lessons when I was young. As I got a little older and got slightly into my teen years, you have these new feelings and you want to start expressing them. You know what I mean? So it just was totally natural for me to pick up the guitar. I started on drums because hitting stuff to music is really fun. And then I wanted to sing, and singing to the drums is kind of hard. So there are guitars around. That's what my dad played. I picked up the guitar. That was that. I've been playing ever since.
That's nice that you have a little bit of a drumming background. You don't hear that a lot. You usually hear piano or clarinet.
I played piano before that. I took piano lessons from 7-13, but when I started wanting to get into more contemporary music and stuff, the first thing that I wanted was drums. So I played that for six months, a year, and then onto the guitar.
What words of advice or encouragement would you give to other fellow creative people who are maybe trying to stay mentally healthy during this very unusual time? Do you have any words of advice for people who are maybe just trying to get through day to day, some things to look forward to?
I would say, take care of the basics. Try to sleep and eat well. Try to walk a little bit, as much as you can. If you want to talk on the creative side, remember to be nice to yourself and have fun with it and let it be a therapeutic thing and not something that causes you to feel like you're under some kind of pressure because you're not.
That is important, just remembering the simple things like sleeping, turning off your phone, and making sure that you actually get to sleep through the night.
I actually started leaving my cell phone in a different room when I go to bed. Going to sleep and waking up without a cell phone, I mean, it's a very small thing, but I found it to make a pretty good difference in the way that I start and end my days.
That's a good idea, putting it in a different room. I feel like I need to put it in another zip code.
Looking back, what would you say are some of the highlights that you've experienced musically, either performing, writing, or anything about the creative process?
Oh, man. I have been so lucky and just really blessed with a lot of really great experiences. So, to take it back first, to my best friend Vin. I was like 22 and living with my mom after I graduated college, and he was in his freshman year and was going for music. At the time we had our band together, which was called The Fox and the Rose, and for a whole year of my life, every day he would finish school and come to my mom's house and we would just make music for, I would say, anywhere from 3-5 hours, and he would teach me everything that he learned that day in school. So I basically got the first year of a music education through him just telling me what he learned that day. That year made me a way, way, way better musician, guitar player, singer-songwriter, the whole deal. That was super formative to my whole musical existence. So that's a big highlight.
Then, for Kate Dressed Up, we've played at World Cafe Live. We've headlined there. That was really, really fun, one of my favorite shows. Last December, we got to play Asbury Lanes for the "What a Wonderful Year" show. That stage is just so much fun to be on. It sounds so good up there.
I've been lucky enough to do three Gurlzilla shows, which is a feminist benefit show that I've been doing since 2016. I did one in Flemington in 2016, one in Asbury in 2018, and then last November [2020] we did a virtual one where it was Philly artists and artists from Minneapolis, so we had a two-city virtual thing going on.
Making the album with Ravi at Flux Studios is obviously top of the list. I'm just so lucky to have had a series of really great events, whether they've led to a person's conventional idea of "success" or not, I am having a great time and everything is working out in a way that I'm very happy with.
It just comes down to gratitude because happiness, that's like a little too lofty of a goal, I think. If you're like, "Oh, I want to be happy." Happy? That's a transient feeling. You're happy for a moment and then it... It's not like a state of constant being. But you could be grateful constantly. You could choose to just look around you and say, "You know, I am fortunate in my own way to have these things" and I very much feel that.
Very wise words. That was deep. I feel like I gotta put that somewhere, like on an arch over a castle or something.
That sounds good to me. Just put my initials "KM" in the corner. Or "KDU" for Kate Dressed Up. I don't know.
Put your URL up there.
It's like a little QR code just chiseled into it.
Oh, for sure!
Interview Part 2 (February 2022)
I've been scouring social media to check up on everything that's been going on. You've been busy!
I've been as busy as possible, yeah.
In March 2021, you had some vinyls printed?
Yes, the Leesta Vall stuff. We marketed it in March, took preorders, and then we actually recorded it in Cherry Hill at AGL Studios in June, and then we sent those files off to Leesta Vall and they got printed and sent out over the summer. So that was really exciting to have some physical music of ours out in the world. They turned out beautifully.
That was a cool idea. How did you think of that?
Actually, the label, Leesta Vall, their whole business model is to have bands sign up to run preorders on these singles, and then bands most often will actually go to the Leesta Vall studio, and they'll print the performance directly to vinyl there in the studio, but because my drummer actually owns a studio, we chose to use their studio, AGL. That turned out great, and we sent off the digital files for them to print. It was a lot of fun. We ended up — in one day — recording for 33 vinyl prints.
That's amazing!
It was pretty intense. We played "Ride Home" like 20 times and a bunch of other songs. I think there were only five songs to choose from, so there were a lot of repeats. We just had a marathon of recording for four or five hours, where we just banged them all out and sent them off. We were all very tired at the end, but also very satisfied. It was physically taxing but spiritually fulfilling to be able to do that.
That's a really cool concept. I think I read something about there'd be a customizable greeting in the beginning?
Yeah, so they sent us the names for each order and what song they wanted, and so each performance was for a specific person. So to start the recording, Ryan would hit "1, 2, 3, go" and then I would say, like, "Hey, Evan, thanks for supporting" and do a little personalized message in the beginning. So everyone that got one of those has a completely unique, doesn't exist anywhere else performance from us.
That's brilliant.
Yeah, it is a pretty cool model. I'm really glad that Leesta Vall asked us to be a part of it. I actually had done a run with Elaine Rasnake a couple of years ago. We actually did go to their studio and recorded some songs with her. So I've been aware of it for a while and I knew that they ran a tight ship. So when they reached out, I was very excited.
Nice. It sounds like it must have been very organized for all that to run so smoothly.
Yeah, they definitely have a good operation going over there. I'm just very glad that a few vinyls exist out in the world with my music on it.
In April 2021, you released a music video for "How Could I Have Known." That looked like it was fun to film. You got a lot of friends together, friends and family? What was that whole process like?
I rallied the troops for that one. The video was directed by Andrea Morgan, whose work I had admired for a while because I'd seen her do work with an Asbury Park band called The Foes of Fern. They had put out some great stuff. So I reached out asking if she would be down to do a video for this song, and she got back me saying, "Yeah, let's rock." Very much, as the same as with "Ride Home", I chose her because I wanted her vision applied to the music. I didn't really have too much of a solid concept, so that video, I would say 98% of the credit, was Andrea's idea. She told me the kind of space we needed, which luckily my living space fit what she needed, and told me the storyboard that she had in her head.
I got everyone involved — bandmates, significant others, friends, bandmates from other bands that aren't Kate Dressed Up. Everyone was really cool. We got everyone pizza and beer, and Andrea brought some decorations. The second she showed up, it was all business. It went super smoothly. She had all her shots in mind and told us what to do. The three supporting players, Elyse Kiedaisch, Elaine Rasnake, and Tal Demirjian, they were just super willing to be a part of the whole thing and just go with the flow and what Andrea was telling us to do. We had a lot of fun doing that. I had fun with all the outfit changes. It ended up being pretty much an actual party because while I was shooting scenes, everyone else was just hanging out. It just cultivated a really good energy that I think comes across.
Yeah, definitely. It looks like it was a lot of fun doing that.
It definitely was. Making art with people you care about, who care about you, who also care about your art —which is a completely separate thing from just caring about me as a person — there is literally no higher honor to me than that having a friend who also for some reason will also care about this thing that I've been doing for years now. It's so special to me. I really can't overstate that.
You can't replace that depth and dedication.
No way. Yeah.
Is there anything you want to say about the song or the inspiration behind it?
It's obviously super queer. It's the first thing that I've put out that's very overtly queer. The way it was received has just been incredible, the way that people took it. I had a friend message me saying "This is the bi anthem that I've always needed" or something along those lines. So I'm just glad that the thing that I was going for in that song, which is kind of like a whimsical facepalm of looking back and just seeing all of these opportunities kind of float by, and not experiencing regret, but just... It became kind of an inside joke with myself to look back and notice those moments in my life, and then now to be in a place where I experience a lesser degree of self-consciousness in those situations, and now being able to share that, that's really what's special to me now, and seeing the growth from where I was writing the song to now having released it and having this part of myself be so much more prominently publicly displayed. And that's been cool.
I love it. "Facepalm" is a good term.
Like, "How could I have known?" but then the whole joke is like, bro, come on.
I think we've all been there, in one way or another. We've definitely had those baseball moments where it's like, well, yeah, looking back, obviously.
Yeah, and that's not a distinctly queer experience. Obviously, that happens to straight people, too, I think. But I think all of the kind of weird stigma and baggage that comes with queer relationships kind of amplifies those experiences a little bit in a way. So that's where I was coming from really, with sharing that whole story and an idea.
I like that. What was it? "The bi anthem?" What did your friend say?
Yeah, like "This is the bi anthem I've always needed." Something along those lines. She was basically saying, like, “Yes, I also am a queer woman terrified to talk to other queer women.” Really almost more than anything else, when that particular friend reached out to me, that's when I was like, OK, I'm glad that I made this. You know what I mean? To share that and have it actually resonate and someone else feel what I was feeling when I wrote it. That's the most important thing, that connection. That's what makes it all worth it.
Definitely. It's something that people can relate to. It gives a voice to a situation or an experience or a series of experiences so you feel like you're not alone. Like, "OK, I had a facepalm moment, but someone else did, too!"
In May 2021 you had a wedding ceremony?
I did, yeah. I married my husband, Roger [Kunkel], so that's pretty funny going from the queer song to marrying my husband. It was such a trip in the best possible way. I don't know if I really fully expected ahead of time for it to be the best day of my life, but to date, I would say that it was, by a long shot. Our great, great friend and business partner Mickey married us, so that was really special. My best friends, my bandmates, Elyse and Vin, who sing with me all the time and you see them everywhere, they sang me up and down the aisle.
We had a small ceremony, but we didn't want to sacrifice any of those things that made it really special. The food and music were just top-notch. Having my family around was so special. From the time that we kind of all came together to the end of the night was just so much love. And it's been cool since. Being married, I would give it an A+. It's great. So yeah, that was a huge life event that happened for me.
Congratulations! Bigger is not necessarily better. Really those important, really personal parts are the things that you're going to remember.
Yeah, it really is just about the people who were there and being able to share and celebrate our love with them. We'd been together nine years already, and it was like our third wedding plan, too, because we were supposed to be married in 2020. I could not have changed a single thing to make it better than it was, really.
Well, it sounds like you attract the right kind of people to you, too, that it's not just by accident.
I hope so.
You're sending out the right vibes — attracting the right energy and repelling drama.
It seems that way, just based on the people in my life and how literally amazing they are. I mean, my brother's great friend was our videographer. It was his first time doing a wedding, and he nailed it. Nailed it! The video is amazing. My drummer Ryan, who owns AGL, came through at the last second to be the second videographer to capture a second angle. Even people who weren't right in the wedding were pulling through for us in really big ways. There was a snafu. We were going to be in a venue and then we moved it to my mom's house, and one of my brother's other really great friends ended up driving for us. We rented a 15-passenger van and he drove for us. So, really across the board, everyone came through whether they were there or not. It was just such a special thing, almost to the point of being overwhelmed in a good way of just how much love and care we really have in our lives. I feel very happy and blessed and grateful for all the people in my life because it's really been a year of just people, for real.
Did you sing your vows?
No. Haha. I did make everyone there do a sing-along after we got married to "With Arms Outstretched" by Rilo Kiley. Elyse and Vin sang it, crushed it, and everyone else was singing and clapping. That's all we wanted. So that's cool.
It sounds like you've got some amazing bandmates pulling through from every angle, every aspect.
Vin and Elyse are my best friends. We go back, at this point, going on 12 years. Vin, I know from my hometown. Elyse, I know from college. When I introduced them, they instantly created a super connection. So the three of us have been like... They're my family. They're amazing. Even Ryan, too. Ryan is a late addition. They've been so supportive of Kate Dressed Up and of me as a person since we started working together for a couple of years now. So, yeah, I love my band. And Nick, my silent bassist, is somebody that has just been down for the ride since he got in on the band. I feel strong when I'm around them. I feel like they lend to my existence in a way that I feel very lucky to have.
So you had your five-year anniversary of Kate Dressed Up?
Yes. The self-titled came out September 2016. Seeing that day come and go was... It was interesting because the project is so much more and so much better than I imagined five years ago. The flip side of that coin is there are so many things that I thought I would have done by now that I haven't gotten to yet. So it's been this weird meandering thing that I've been doing, and I'm enjoying that journey in itself.
Speaking of journeys, I love the story that's told through "The Fountain."
Oh, thank you.
I love this lyric: "It was as if I’d been sleeping, and only then was I awake." That's one of my favorite lyrics of 2021. The whole song is beautiful, and then the animation, too. It's all really beautifully done, on all aspects. What was that like? How long was that in the works? Had that been kind of brewing for several years?
So, that song is a little different because it's the oldest song in terms of writing, but it was also the final addition to the album. Vin and I had a band before Kate Dressed Up called The Fox and the Rose. I wrote the skeleton of "The Fountain", so I had verse, verse, chorus, verse, chorus. I had that kind of outlined, and I had the lyrics. I brought them to Vin in our previous iteration. Vin helped me with the arrangement, the harmonies, and some of the melodies in certain spots. Basically, Vin co-wrote the song with me. Then it kind of just sat, and The Fox and the Rose took a turn where it was not really a thing anymore, in a business way. It kind of went on the backburner when I moved to South Jersey and Vin was still living in our hometown in North Jersey.
Flash forward all these years later, and I have nine of the songs on the album done, ready to go. I have some songs that I wrote more recently, and I was kind of looking through them. They all didn't feel right. And then this song kind of popped into my brain because the person who inspired the song in the first place made an appearance in my life toward the end of the album coming together, and it sparked my brain to remember that song and make that connection, like, "Oh! This song is the one that's supposed to finish the album."
The album is The Little Prince-themed. It started out as somewhat of a concept album and it kind of diverged, but it kind of still is a concept album. In The Little Prince, there is a plot point where the pilot and The Little Prince are looking for a well in the Sahara Desert, and the pilot is like, this is stupid, we're going to die, and the Prince is like, no, don't worry. Obviously, they find the well. In that way, it fit. It fit the narrative of the other songs. It fit the feeling of what I wanted. So I asked Vin if they would mind me putting it on the album and they were down, and so this song is actually the only one on the album that we live tracked at Flux Studios. So we brought in Vin and I, and then Nick, my bassist, and Evan Tsioni, who is the drummer on the rest of the album, and we rehearsed, and then we went into the city all together. Ravi set us all up so that you could just go "1, 2, 3, go" and we played the song, and that was magical. Playing music with people is such a different feeling than just tracking something or doing it alone. I feel like that is really captured in the arrangement. Then, Vin and I went back and we recorded the vocals at Ravi's house after the fact, we added organ, and then the song was done.
For this song, I just had it in my head that I wanted an animated video. Through a recommendation, I was introduced to KXB Studio, which is owned and operated by a woman named Tina who does all kinds of really amazing animation work. I told her I wanted something that was almost childlike in its simplicity, and I sent her illustrations from The Little Prince. Working with Tina was so cool. She sent me a storyboard. I asked for one little adjustment, she sent me another storyboard, I said, "Cool, great. Go do your thing", and then I didn't see it for like 8-10 weeks, and when I did eventually see it, I was blown away. No edits, no changes. It's perfect. She just really understood the feeling that we were trying to capture. I really think that the way she put the video together is just like... I think it's moving, and I think that it touches the same thing that the song itself does. Actually, I don't know if they'd want me to share this, but the first time that Vin saw it, they definitely cried. Actually, the day that we finished the vocals for it, we watched it all together for the first time and Vin definitely cried in a good way. And that's how I knew. I was like, "OK, this is good. This is a good thing."
It's like, you can't pick a favorite child, but I love it a little extra just because of Vin's partnership in it, because of the video that goes with it, because of this particular time in my life that is not in itself connected to the time and place where the rest of the songs were written, but did kind of still complete that picture. It was really nice. I was really, really glad that it ended up on the album. I think it's turned out amazing.
It's really beautiful. I really enjoyed listening to it, I really enjoyed watching it. It came together perfectly. The animation was just the right style for it.
It's crazy, too, because with animation, because of the work involved, it's just expensive because a lot of a lot more hours go into animating than into live-action stuff. Tina and I worked out something that would work for the budget that I had. Her other animations are nothing like what she made for "The Fountain." Like, they're beautiful and really cool and interesting, but they're just really different than what she did for me. When she sent the video back, I was like, "Wait a second. That's what this got me? Like, this budget that you said was simple. You did THIS with it?" It just completely blew my mind. It blew me out of the water. It exceeded every expectation that I had, which was already pretty high I'd seen Tina's other work. She still blew us all the way. Just amazing.
It's one thing to work with people you've known for 10 years, you know what I mean? But to hire somebody on a recommendation and to have them really get the vision, and not only that but amplify it and add their own touch in a way that it just fit. I was just so, so stoked on it. I'm so glad that you like it and that it hit for you also.
Yeah. She got it!
Again, same thing with the other videos. I cannot take any credit there. That is all KXB Studio just absolutely nailing it. I love working with other creatives. It's amazing.
It shows the power of your music and your artistry as well, that you're able to do something that moves somebody or that paints a really strong image in their head and then they can take what it was and translate it into another medium, like live-action video or animation. So that's really a testament to your talent as an artist that you're able to create that whole world and someone else can be like, "OK, I totally get it," you know, some perspective of it.
That's always the hope. So far, the feedback that I've been receiving has been indicative that I'm on the right track. So I'm rolling with it, for sure.
I'm waiting to see "The Fountain" in a trailer for an indie film or something.
From your lips to God's ears. Yeah, absolutely, I would love that.
I saw that you launched also an online store?
Oh yeah, I'm so excited about that. Earlier this year, right before I released "Ride Home", I kind of did a rebrand, which was really the first time that I was branding Kate Dressed Up at all because I'm not a brand designer. The store and everything in it is designed by Purva Sawant, who is a graphic designer based in New York City. When we started working together, she was designing visuals for the UN, like the United Nations, and I think she has since gone into private firm stuff for businesses. I met her through Ravi. She does not work with any other artists or musicians. That's not what she does. She works with businesses. So again, I feel so lucky to have her talents in my corner because girl is a freak at what she does. Same with everyone that I've managed to work with. I don't understand how this happens. She's incredible.
When we started working together, she sent me questionnaires and quizzes to get a feel for my stuff, and every step of the way I would be like, "OK, well, I imagine this" and then a week later, she would be like, "I imagine this thing that you didn't mention at all, that's completely different that you never would have thought of" and every single time she did that, I was just like, "Your idea is better. Let's go with that." So we very slowly kind of brought this together with the logo and the fonts and the color palette and everything. I mean, she's really leveled up the aesthetic of Kate Dressed Up.
Along with the branding, she designed everything in the merch store. I'm stoked. The shirts are super soft. The bandanas are really cool. I've been getting a good response from it. People have been ordering stuff, and that's been really special. It's also kind of a relief for me as an artist to have a revenue stream at all right now, so I am glad that that's up and that has brought some income in a world where I haven't really taken any shows this year, and I don't have any lined up because every time I try to play on a show, I have to cancel it. So I'm very much in a place where I'm still exploring ways to be an artist in this circumstance. All this to say, yeah, go buy stuff from my online store, please!
I'm going to grab myself one of those green t-shirts!
The company is called Top Banana. They're based in Philadelphia. It's one of Roger's oldest friends. So again, just so blessed, so lucky to have this spider web of love and support. When I said to Antonio, "Hey, what do I do?" he was like, "OK, well, this is the softest and best fitting t-shirt. You can stop looking." I was like, "Perfect, let's do that." So that's been great. They are super soft, and he does such a high-quality job with them. They were all printed digitally. Not screen-printed. So yeah, that's been really cool to see my stuff out in the world. I have plans to get more designs for the store, so I hope to keep that interesting and have that be a way for people to support us directly in a world where music has literally been devalued to zero. I mean, we could do a whole podcast interview just talking about that.
Definitely! Is there anything you have coming down the pike that you want people to know about?
So, the album is still in its final stages. It was supposed to get done and then Ravi got COVID and life happened, as with all things. I am very excited to prioritize art going forward. So, my album will be out when it's ready. I have a cool thing with the band that I have planned to go along with it. We're not playing any shows for the foreseeable future because I don't feel like it's the responsible thing to do. That being the case, any support, any attention, any purchase on my online store, any purchase of music off the Bandcamp page, any time you tell a friend that Kate Dressed Up exists or you play them our music, that goes such a long way and helps us keep making this art. That is the message that I want to send to people. I want to be an artist that's not just trying to win a popularity contest. I want to be an artist that is making something that I believe in, that I feel is truly worth sharing on a human level. So that's what I'm turning toward going forward, and we'll see where that leads.
One thing I will say is, I've been working on this thing for literally 3-4 years now, and I still love these songs. I'm not sick of them. I don't feel like, "Oh, it's too late to put them out now." Like, no. They're good. I'm psyched. It's going to be fun.
It's going to be awesome. If any of your past work is evidence, it's going to be awesome.
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Thank you again.
Interview with Ryan Hilsinger (Sleepy Rye)
By Sonia Schnee | Posted Tuesday, March 1, 2022
South Jersey drummer, songwriter, and studio owner Ryan Hilsinger, also known as Sleepy Rye, last month released the first single off of his upcoming debut EP. Blending together multiple influences, his EP A Bit of a Non-Person has a little something for everyone. In addition to getting ready to release his own music, Ryan is also working on a musical compilation via his studio AGL Sounds in Cherry Hill, NJ to benefit multiple charities (reach out to him to get involved). Be sure to check out his EP which drops tomorrow, March 2nd, and to learn more about Ryan and the ways you can collaborate with him, check out our interview below.
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Thank you so much for taking some time out of your busy day to chat with me.
RYAN HILSINGER: Of course. Thanks for having me, I appreciate it.
First off, what's your name, where are you from, and what do you do?
My name's Ryan, or Sleepy Rye. I'm currently in Cherry Hill, NJ. I run AGL Sounds with Doug Gallo. I've been running this studio for almost five years now. I started recording people years and years before that and just recently decided to start working on my own stuff.
Congratulations on the release of your single "Nameless" which dropped on February 9th. What can you tell us about the inspiration behind that?
So, "Nameless" actually happened after a psychedelic trip, and I woke up the next morning really having no sense of myself at all. It felt like I was re-learning who I was and what I wanted, and I had to challenge everything that I thought I knew.
I actually started writing the lyrics for “Nameless” while I was going through that. So it starts off with "He rises covered in ashes and poison still in his veins." I was writing that covered in ashes.
That's wild. Is that the first track off of your upcoming EP that you wrote?
I think it is the oldest, yeah. All four of these songs were written at different times, but "Nameless" is the oldest.
Very cool. Let's talk about your upcoming EP, A Bit of a Non-Person, which is coming out on March 2nd. Very exciting. What can you tell us about that?
So I actually just officially announced the EP, and I said, "If you liked 'Nameless', listen to the EP. If you didn't like 'Nameless', pre-save it anyways, so you can talk smack about it. It's not really the same as 'Nameless', but it's got the same kind of vibe. So if you liked 'Nameless', come along. If you didn't like 'Nameless', still come along because it's different enough where you might actually enjoy something.
What would you describe as the genres you touched upon or the vibe or mood you were going for?
So, the first track off the EP is kind of this jaunty rock vibe. The second track is 'Nameless.' The third track is only bass guitar and vocals, and it's really choral and ethereal. Then the last song is kind of post-rock. It's a love song without the love song vibes. These songs were written so far apart, I was being influenced by something different each time.
Are you performing all the instruments? Did you bring in session musicians?
I did everything on the EP except for master it. It was mastered by Alberto de Icaza. I gotta plug him real quick because he's amazing at what he does. But yeah, everything else – the performance, the writing, the production, the recording, the mixing -- that was all me.
Wow. Is this your first-time kind of doing something like that? I mean, having a studio you had your hands in a bunch of different aspects of that. So what was that like doing that for yourself?
So actually, I released music for the first time under just my name, Ryan Hilsinger, back in 2009 I think. At the time, I was just recording in my parents' basement. I was in high school so I was still living with family. I recorded everything by myself then, but it was just acoustic guitar and vocals. This time around, it was a lot more in-depth. It was maybe more than I was ready to take on when I decided to take it on, but it just happened all of a sudden, and the timing felt right so I did it.
Who would you describe as your musical influences?
Well, for sure, Incubus. Incubus has been since I was about nine years old when my older brother showed them to me and gave me a CD of theirs. On this album, there's some Minus the Bear in there. There's a little bit of Bayside. I personally love Snarky Puppy and a lot of "neo-soul" is what they're calling it these days, like Lianne La Havas, Tom Misch, and Esperanza Spalding. That's what I've been listening to a lot.
Your music, is a lot of it inspired by things that have happened to you personally?
The four songs on the EP are all about things that I've experienced, but I have I don’t know how many dozens and dozens or hundreds of songs that will live and die on my hard drive, that I will write about absolutely anything.
I once went to visit a friend in Philly and I got my days mixed up and she had class the whole day. So I waited and waited and waited in a Starbucks and in different museums, and then when I finally ended up on a bench outside, I wrote a song about a cigarette butt that somebody flicked. So I'll write about whatever.
Do you ever write songs for other people do as a ghostwriter or a credited writer?
So I’m actually starting to do that with the benefit single series that I was talking about. I'm actually, next week, writing a song with Katie Miller, and I started doing collaborations with people in Philly. So I'm hoping to do more of that. I'm hoping to do more songwriting for other people.
And how do you know Katie Miller? You're a drummer, right? So, you've worked on one of her songs?
So actually, we met through the New Brunswick music scene. We just happened to cross paths. But we started working together a little more than two years ago, I think, was the first time that I played with her. I played a show at MilkBoy in Philly with Kate Dressed Up. That was my first show with them back in December, two years ago. Then we were supposed to go on tour and then COVID happened, and she was like, "I still want to work together. Let's keep on doing this music thing," and she asked me to be in the band.
Then after band practice one day, Kate was just like, "Ry, would you happen to be looking for a manager?" Meanwhile, me and my friend had just been talking about how good it would be to have a manager. I was, like "Funny, you should mention that." That's how that aspect of our relationships started. Now we're just super close and at this point she's just a great friend.
So she’s also your manager?
Yep.
Oh, that's so cool! I didn't know she did that. I had an interview with her a couple of weeks ago. She's so modest. She's very smart.
Yeah, she is. Oh my goodness, she is the best.
She knows a lot of things about a lot of things.
She really does, seriously! I am super lucky to have her.
I might have missed a little bit in the beginning (when we started recording our interview). Can you go back to the compilation that you're doing?
Oh, the benefit series?
Yeah, yeah.
So, it's going to be called “Sleep Numbers.”
I bring a band in for a day or two, and we record a single together. I did my first one last month, and I'm just wrapping up work on that.
Every band is going to choose a charity, they'll come in, we'll either write a song together or just record it if they already have a song written, release it, and all the proceeds go to whatever charity they chose.
That's really cool. Have you done this before? Is this a tradition?
So, I want to turn it into a tradition. My studio, AGL, back when we were located in New Brunswick, we used to do monthly shows where we would record all the shows and run everything through the studio and have a bunch of videographers there. We don't charge anything. It's just for the sake of putting it together,and then the added bonus of the charity on top.
Oh, that’s cool.
Hopefully it becomes a tradition. I’ve already got three in the works.
You’re on a roll. Keep on doing what you're doing!
Where can people reach out if they want to be a part of this iteration or the next iteration?
You can reach out to me on Instagram @sleepyrye.wav, or you can email me at contact@SleepyRye.com.
What does “AGL” stand for? Is there a story behind the name?
So, Doug (Gallo) and I are both massive fans of Incubus. We were thinking of names. Doug threw out the name of this Incubus song, "Just a Phase" Studios. He wanted an acronym for the name, so I suggested Incubus has a song called “Summer Romance (Anti-Gravity Love Song).” So I suggested "Anti-Gravity Love Sounds." That's why the logo is three heart balloons because it’s “anti-gravity.”
Oh my gosh, I see it!
Yeah. So it's Anti-Gravity Love Sounds.
That's really clever. I like that.
We had to find some way to pay homage to Incubus.
How did you meet your co-founder of AGL? Did you guys know each other from high school?
Yeah, actually, we went to high school together, but only for a little bit because he moved and transferred high schools. We went to high school together for two years. During those two years, I was working at a show production company/record label, and we worked with Doug's band at the time, so that's how I started talking to him. Then eventually I joined that band, and then we became another band. Then I moved out to L.A. for a little bit and when I came back, Doug was like, "Hey, are you interested in starting a studio?" I was like, "Yeah, absolutely!"
I just gave myself a tattoo.
Oh, I see it! Yes! That'll be the thumbnail for the video.
Perfect!
That is really cool. Is there a place that you recommend? Or did you actually sit there and give it to yourself?
I sat there and stick and poked myself.
True story?
Yeah, actually.
Oh my gosh! OK. You’re multitalented! "He can mix and record everything for you and be your session drummer, and while he's doing that, he can also give you a tattoo on the spot. Anything Incubus-inspired."
Actually, my friend Abigail just started doing stick and pokes. She’s already an incredible artist, but they just started doing stick and pokes. I was their first person.
Oh, that's cool. Is that a mushroom?
It's a nice little mushroom. It's a little honey fungus.
That’s awesome!
So, actually, if you're in the Philly area and you're thinking of getting a tattoo, look up The Shape of Sanctum.
Shout-out to Abigail!
Hell yeah!
So, you have a lot of things going on. Aside from being a co-owner of AGL Studios, you're also a session/touring drummer. Of course, you have Sleepy Rye. You've been involved or associated with numerous bands.
Tell us about your musical journey. Do you come from a musical family?
So it seems like all of my family has some kind of musical talent that they refuse to recognize. My dad was in high school band and had a lot of potential as a drummer. My mom has a beautiful, angelic voice, as does my sister. My sister also played the flute and the violin. My brother played the bass guitar and the trumpet. But it seems that after high school, no one chased it. So I guess I'm the one who chased it after high school. But that was always going to happen because I was banging on pots and pans and playing on toy acoustic guitars since I was five, so it seemed like that was always going to happen.
I love that. That's a really interesting combination — the drums and the vocals.
What would you say, looking back, have been some of your career highlights or moments that really stand out to you?
Honestly, one of my favorite things is meeting all of the different people that I meet, just everyone that comes through the studio or different bands that hire me for one-offs. Like I just recently, last year, got hired to play drums for a pop artist, Zoe on Venus, exactly a week before the show, with no practice or anything. We just showed up and played the gig and it went great and we had a ton of fun. Just like things like that. I love moments like that and just being able to meet everybody that I meet.
Actually, I would say another highlight has been not necessarily related to my personal journey, whether it's AGL or Sleepy Rye, but I worked for a little while on something called The John Lennon Educational Tour Bus. It's a big tour bus, like that bands go on, and it was gutted and turned into a recording studio.
Oh wow.
Me and two other engineers, we just drove around the country -- well, we didn't drive the bus, there was a bus driver -- but the four of us went around the country teaching kids about music production and making music with the kids. That was the best job I ever had. That was great.
That’s wild! How long ago was that?
That was back in 2017, 2018-ish?
That is really cool. It's nice to have been able to do that traveling before the pandemic and the world changed.
Yeah, seriously. That 2017, 2018 might be off. The pandemic has completely messed up my sense of time.
Same here. I always think every day is Wednesday. The days of the week don’t matter a whole lot anymore.
Right, seriously.
Is there anything in particular you're looking forward to in 2022, aside of course from releasing your debut EP?
Well, actually, I have a lot of work that I did this past year that is slated to come out this year, and I'm really, really excited for people to hear it. One of the songs just recently came out. I recorded a 17-piece jazz big band called the Grace Fox Big Band. Amazing. The first song, "I Just Found Out About Love", just came out and it's amazing. I've got a bunch of different projects that I did coming out this year that I'm really excited for.
And, I turned 30.
Ayy! A milestone! How does it feel now being in your 30s?
Well... we'll see. Haha! I'll give it some time.
To be determined…
Yeah.
It's so interesting how things have changed. A generation ago, it was like 30 was older, but now your 30s are a continuation of your 20s and everything's just gotten pushed back a decade in terms of milestones and things.
Yeah, I like the way my dad described it: Your 30s are the chance to do everything you wanted to do in your 20s, but with more knowledge and more money.
I love that!
That's the energy I'm taking into my 30s.
So, you already mentioned one person. Is there anyone who you'd like to give a shout-out to?
Well, obviously Katie. We talked about her. Shout-out Katie Miller! She's amazing. She's absolutely incredible.
I want to shout-out, actually, my parents. My parents really help keep me grounded long enough to do something like record and mix songs by myself. Thank you, Mom and Dad. I love you both.
Good son.
Haha! Eh… I'm a sweet son. I don't know about a good son.
There is a distinction!
Do you have any music videos planned?
No. Music videos, to do well, you either need a grand mind or a lot of money, and I don't know if I have either, but I do actually have a canvas video that is paired up with the fourth track on my EP, "Never”, done by KXB Studio. They took my idea and they brought it to life exactly the way I wanted, so that'll be fun. That'll keep you occupied on that four-and-a-half-minute song.
Where can people find you online if they want to listen to your music, if they want to send you a message? What's the best way to find you, or all the ways to find you?
So Bandcamp is obviously the quickest and best way to see everything that I've got, and you can contact me through there. That goes straight to my email.
You can stream me on Tidal and Apple Music and Spotify and Deezer. I'm everywhere.
And Instagram, is that your preferred social media?
Yeah. On Instagram, I'm @sleepyrye.wav. @SleepyRye on Twitter. @SleepyRye on Facebook. Sleepy Rye pretty much everywhere.
Nice. This has been awesome. Thank you again so much.
Of course, of course. Thank you. I really appreciate it. This is my first interview. I had no idea what to expect, but I really, really enjoyed myself. Thank you.
Interview with Chelsea Carlson (Singer/Songwriter, Musician)
By Sonia Schnee | Posted Wednesday, February 9, 2022
NJ’s Chelsea Carlson has been keeping busy during the pandemic as a multi-genre singer/songwriter, member of the Renaissance Faire-inspired trio Bardy Pardy, and as a music teacher giving virtual and in-person lessons to students K-12.
On Friday, February 11, you can also see her perform live as she opens for the band The Wag at The Coffee House in Edison, NJ.
Chelsea has a ton of new music coming out later this year, as both a solo artist and through Bardy Pardy. So how has she been able to juggle all these creative endeavors while remaining so upbeat? Find out by watching our interview above, or by reading the transcript below.
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Chelsea, thank you for joining me. It's good to see you here today.
CHELSEA CARLSON: It’s nice to see you, too.
So why don't you tell our viewers/listeners a little bit of background about yourself, who you are, what you do, where you're from?
My name is Chelsea Carlson. I am originally from Mount Olive, NJ, but right now I live in Brick, NJ. So, I'm enjoying the shore. I've been playing music forever, but I've been doing the whole singer/songwriter thing for about 12 years now, which is crazy to me. I also am in a folk trio called Bardy Pardy, so I've got some music going on there as well. I'm also a music teacher and a cat mom.
I, too, am a cat mom. Cat moms unite!
For first-time listeners, how would you describe your music? What genres would you say that you touch upon?
I don't like to box myself into a genre because I listen to almost everything and so I kind of write almost everything, too. My music that's already out there is very much classic rock-inspired. So if you were to go online today and look me up, a lot of the stuff you'll find is very rock. My new music that I've been working on is a little bit more in the singer-songwriter/pop realm, kind of like Sara Bareilles/Adele style. I have a little bit of everything going on.
So you do solo work and you also have the trio. How did that come about? How do those two worlds interact?
Well, I've been doing the solo thing for a long time. I've been in a number of different bands. I love being in bands, it's a lot of fun, but it can also be very hard with scheduling and stuff like that. So, sort of all along the way, when I've been in bands I've also done solo stuff. At some point, around 2013 or so, I just decided, you know what? I'm mostly going to do solo stuff, and that is mostly what I've done.
My trio Bardy Pardy (I know, it's a fun name), we actually met while we were on the cast of the New Jersey Renaissance Faire in 2017. We were just assigned to work with each other to put together a show for the Faire that year, but we ended up gelling so well that we were like, "We should just be a band." So we have been since then, and we actually just finished up in November recording our first album, so we're hoping to release that this spring.
Who are your bandmates in Bardy Pardy?
Stephanie Krause and Hannah Ward. They're actually both from Pennsylvania, so we're an interstate band.
Your new music — can you tease us a little bit? What are the songs about? How many tracks are there?
I've been bursting to tell people. I've kept it secret long enough, I feel like. I originally was going to record a new album, and I have recorded enough songs to make an album, but I think I'm probably going to release them as singles instead. So you're going to get a ton of singles over the next few months to a year. So there are 10 new songs. About half of them, I'd say, were written during the pandemic. So they're fairly new. So pretty much unless you've watched one of my livestream shows, you really haven't heard those songs, so that's pretty cool. And then some of them are a little bit older. I've got some what I would call "fan favorite" songs on there, including — this is the weirdest song I've ever written — "The Ballad of the Sausage King."
You'll definitely recognize some songs if you've listen to my music before, but I've got some new stuff as well, and kind of a lot of different genres. We're really playing around with different sounds and things. I have one song that I've put in the '90s rock Alanis Morissette zone, and then I have other ones that are very pretty singer-songwriter-y, and then "The Ballad of the Sausage King" is like a blues song. I have one song that's going to be very much more electronic that's called "No Superhero" which is really cool.
Content-wise, I try to not be too same-y with the topics I cover in my songs, so we've got a lot of different things going on. I have songs that are more story songs. I have songs that are definitely about the way the pandemic affected my mental health, and I'm sure a lot of other people's as well, and then everything in between. No breakup songs, though! I didn't write any breakup songs.
I'm looking forward to hearing the variety!
How would you describe your song creation process? Are you walking along and you get a melody in your head? Do you come up with the lyrics first? Are there any specific things that you like to draw inspiration from? Is it from your own life or do you get inspiration from movies?
It really depends on the song. In the past, I tended to write music first, or more or less do both at the same time and then just fine-tune it after the fact. A lot of my more recent songs, I found myself writing lyrics first, which is funny because it's something I have never, ever done in my entire life. So I was like, "Oh, this is new," and it seems to continue to happen.
There is one song that I wrote, and I actually released a demo of it in 2020, called "The Same Old Mind." I came up with the piano part and then months later wrote lyrics separately, not even thinking about that, and then was like, "Hey, I wonder if those will go together" and they did. So it really depends on the song for order of how I write things.
In terms of inspiration, pretty much always my songs are about myself or somebody close to me. Usually myself. I do have two songs on this new project I've been working on that are straight-up story songs that I got from other places, like "The Ballad of the Sausage King" of course is not a personal story. That's a story inspired by a True Crime documentary I watched. I have another song called "Oppy," which is about a Mars Rover. So those are not about me, but pretty much the rest of them are about me.
So you said you have one song that's inspired by the pandemic. What was your experience through the pandemic? How has that affected your songwriting? Are there any words of advice or encouragement that you have for people who are creative like yourself and could use a little boost?
Yeah, the pandemic definitely was hard on musicians because there were no shows. For 2020, especially, I had a lot of really exciting things lined up that when the cancelation started rolling in, it was very sad for myself and I know for a lot of other people. So at the beginning of the pandemic, I was very disappointed about a lot of things, but then I kind of settled in and was like, "Wow, I have a lot of time." Like back in the day, I spent so much time in my car because I was living half the week with my parents, half the week with my fiancee and I just never had time for myself.
When it was like, "Well, I'm working at home, I have no commitments," I just found myself becoming more creative, actually having time to be like, "Hey, let me write some songs and actually spend time on it and let me be creative about other aspects of my music career. Let me take new photos. Let me do all these things" because I actually had time. So in a way, it was kind of nice to not have a crazy schedule because it allowed me to focus more on my artistry.
The state of the world definitely found its way into my songs. One in particular, which I've been calling "Promise Me", I would have just called it "The 2020 Song." It kind of covers everything that happened, my feelings about it. It's definitely going to be the most rock and roll of my next 10 songs because that's just the feeling that was behind it.
The pandemic, I think, really forced a lot of people to think outside the box in how they could continue on their paths or maybe change their paths. So my advice for anyone who's still trying to find their way is just take it as an opportunity to reinvent yourself and find new places to do things and new avenues because there actually was a lot of opportunity for that over the past two years. Now that things are opening up again, I feel like I actually have a better sense of myself as an artist and where I want to go than I did before all of this happened.
Where have you been recording? Have you been doing things at home or have you been going to a studio? What's that process been like?
I've been recording with my producer, Tommy Strazza, who I've played a lot of gigs with, like duo gigs and stuff. We've recorded at Volume IV Studios in New Brunswick, the majority of the stuff. Some of it we've done at home. It's been a really fun process getting to work with him. I've also been working with Joshua Van Ness, who played drums. It was just really nice because as a soloist I've heard my songs by myself with piano and guitar and nothing else, and so kind of hearing all of these other instruments bring my songs to life has just been really cool and they got my vision right away. So it's been really fun.
I haven't recorded in a studio for many, many years. My entire last album was done in a home studio. All the stuff I've recorded myself, obviously, was in a home studio. So actually going to like a real music studio again has been cool. It feels very official.
As for Bardy Pardy's album, we've been recording with Dave Pirrocco, who produced my debut album. His studio is JackedCat Productions. That's been a really fun experience, too, because this is actually the first time I've recorded with a band that wasn't just playing my music but we all collaborated on, so that was a lot of fun, too.
What would you say you're most looking forward to in 2022, aside from the pandemic going away and the world returning to "normal"?
This is going to be the craziest year for me that I've had in a long time, and I feel like that's compounded by the fact that I haven't done anything for two years. But in my personal life, I'm getting married, so I'm very much looking forward to that. Of course, I have so much new music coming out. I'm just putting the finishing touches on my original music. I have some music video ideas lined up, so I'm very much looking forward to filming those and getting my own original music out.
I'm really, really looking forward to Bardy Pardy's album coming out because we did a Kickstarter to fund that album in December 2019 and then the pandemic happened, so it's been a long time coming, and I'm just excited that the world will finally get to hear it.
I have a lot of really exciting shows of my own coming up. My next gig is going to be at The Coffee House in Edison. I'm opening up for The Wag. It's going to be a lot of fun. That's on February 11th.
Bardy Pardy, we're mostly a Renaissance Faire act, so we're going to be playing at a lot of different Renaissance Faires. One really exciting one, which I'm not allowed to say yet because we haven't signed all of the paperwork, but we're going to be traveling quite far for one, so I'm very excited.
My fiance, Eric, started a nonprofit called the Artist Collective Troupe. We're based in Ocean and Monmouth County. It's to support the arts communities within our area, putting on theatrical shows, offering educational opportunities and different things, open mics. Our next show is going to be a musical revue, which is going to be on April 23rd. We're holding auditions, and I'm going to be Music Directing it. It's going to be all songs from your favorite animated movies. So I've got a lot of things happening that I'm very excited about.
I love that! Congratulations on your engagement!
The Artist Collective Troupe, is it a community group?
We're still in the process of becoming official, but we are a nonprofit organization. We had an open mic that we ran in October, and then we did Christmas caroling at several different things during the holidays to raise money for the Ashley Lauren Foundation, which is "Hope and help for children with cancer." So, our goal really is we want to support artists and children and teens who want to get into the arts in various different ways, but then use the events and things that we do to raise money for other local nonprofits. So we're hoping to have our next one go to Make-A-Wish. We're again in the paperwork for that, but we got a lot of good stuff going on.
Where can people find you, both you as a solo artist and also Bardy Pardy and the new nonprofit?
There's so many things, right? Well, you can find me on all of the social media — Facebook, Instagram, YouTube. The easiest way to get to it would be through my website, which is ChelseaCarlsonMusic.com.
You can also find us on all the social media for Barty Pardy as well. Our website is BardyPardy.com. As we were founded at a Renaissance Faire playing peasants you can't read, Bardy Pardy is misspelled, so "Pardy" is spelled with a "d", not a "t."
The Artist Collective Troupe, you can find at ArtistCollectiveTroupe.org.
Is there anyone who you'd like to give a shout-out to?
Oh, there's so many people. I don't know how many I'm allowed to give shout-outs to.
As many as you’d like!
Well, of course, shout-out to Tommy Strazza, who's producing my album. He has a bunch of his own music and he's in a couple of different bands, so check him out.
Joshua Van Ness, who played drums on my album. He's also in The Wag.
I want to give a shout-out to two of my former students who have been releasing music. I've been teaching lessons for over a decade and two of my students who were with me for several years, they're now both in college, just released new music. One is Lauren Onufryk. She just released her debut single "Haircut" on Spotify a couple of weeks ago. Her stage name is Ren. Another one of my former students, Isabelle Tarran, just released her debut EP a few months ago on Spotify and everything, so check them out.
And then just two people that I love to listen to who are local New Jersey girls are Sof, who just released her debut album, "Dawn", and Gina Royal, who has just released a ton of fantastic music over the past year. So check them out.
Do you feel a pride, like a mom pride, of seeing your music students grow and take off?
Oh yeah, so much. One of my students, who's now a freshman in college, texted me last week a YouTube video of a benefit concert that she was in at her college, doing a song that I taught her in lessons like three years ago, and I literally was holding back tears. I was like, "Oh, my baby's all grown up!" because I taught her since she was 11, you know?
My longest-running student that I have now started in 2012, and she's now a junior, I think, in high school, so it's just like... Oh, no, she's a senior! Oh my God, she's a senior in high school! I started teaching her when she was in third grade.
Classroom teachers, you get them for 10 months. I get you for 10 years. Like, I really get to know you by the time we're done.
It's amazing that you've kept busy and also so positive and upbeat.
I've been lucky. I know a lot of people have not been as lucky as I have over the past year. Even at the height of nobody going out and everything, I was able to continue teaching my lessons on the internet, and I feel like I got to see people as a result of that. Like I saw 30 people a week from teaching. So I was lucky that even though my life kind of came home, it didn't stop. But, yes, it's been a ride, hasn't it? The hardest times, sometimes we come back even better and stronger than before.
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Interview with John Kiernan (Wrestling Entrance Theme Song Composer)
By Sonia Schnee | Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2022
I’ve known John Kiernan for several years now. (We originally connected when I needed a composer for some videos I produced.) What’s interesting about John — among many things — is that while he’s very much an artist/musician, he’s also a great businessman. He’s figured out how to take something that he’s passionate about (composing music) and make a career out of doing what he loves. He found an outlet as a pro wrestling entrance theme composer, and over the last two years or so he has written over 100 theme songs in a wide variety of genres. His music has been used by wrestlers the world over, and if you turn on your TV set (for those of us who still have one), you can see/hear his music being played during any number of pro wrestling events.
If you are a fan of the pro wrestling world, this interview is a must-read. If wrestling is “not your thing,” this is a still must-read for anyone who is trying to figure out how to make a living doing what they love.
Scroll to the end to find out how to get in contact with John and to listen samples of his music.
(Video and transcript have been edited for time and clarity.)
Do you want to give our audience a brief background of who you are and what you do?
JOHN KIERNAN: My name is John Kiernan. I am a wrestling entrance theme song composer from New Jersey. Right up to now, I've written over 100 themes for different wrestlers, for different promotions. I usually say “everybody except for WWE.” That's the only company I haven't worked with. I've worked with wrestlers from AEW, New Japan from Pro Wrestling, Ring of Honor, MLW. So, all around the gamut and various independent promotions. Over the last two years, it's been quite a ride, and before that I'd been doing performances, releasing instrumental music, scoring films, and performing my own music. So, a little bit of everything. But where I've been for the last couple of years has been in wrestling themes, almost exclusively now.
For people who aren't familiar with the wrestling world, can you give us a little bit of a background about how many different wrestling organizations there are and which one you're working with?
So, I usually work directly with the talent. I am the in-house composer for the United Wrestling Network, which under its umbrella has about four or five different divisions, such as Championship Wrestling from Memphis, from Hollywood, in different territories that they exist, as Championship Wrestling from (insert city here) — most notably and most recently, Championship Wrestling from Atlanta.
In terms of how many there are, oh man, there's so many. Now you have promotions out in China, you have promotions here in the U.S., you have Japanese promotions. I don't know how many countries my music has been featured in, but I'll tell you that they've been featured in a fair amount. Wrestling is a big thing, especially overseas. Wrestling's a big thing here in the States, too.
It's interesting because there’s a little bit of a parallel between, for example, soccer, where you have the World Cup and everybody kind of falls under it. All the different wrestling promotions are kind of their own independent things. Wrestlers go from place to place, but it’s more like they're independent contractors that can go anywhere, unless their contracts are tied to a specific promotion.
Where I come in is — for those who might be familiar with combat sports like UFC — before the combatants hit the ring, you hear that piece of music that plays in the intro. That's usually where my music plays, and if they win, it plays again.
What's the composing process like? Is there a lot of back and forth?
I'll always put it like this. My individual experience may differ from a lot of people because if you are a composer that is contracted to a specific organization then the chain of command might change. Gratefully — and I've been speaking to different wrestlers and different people in the industry about this — I think I'm in a really good position because I get to work with talent, usually individually, even if it is me working with a UWN talent.
Usually, they come to me or the boss comes to me and says, "Hey, we're looking for a theme for this wrestler." I get connected with the wrestler, ask him/her a couple of questions. Usually, the main questions I ask, even if I know who the wrestler is, I'll say, "What do you want the audience to know about you before you even hit the ring? Like, if someone hears your music, what do you want people to feel about you? What do you want them to get before they even see you?”
From there, sometimes they have different references, and they're like, "Oh, I'd like the theme in this style" or "This is something I think would help portray my character in a different way." So realistically, the process differs wrestler to wrestler. Sometimes you'll hear me doing a fairly heavy track like I did for a wrestler named Masha Slamovich. It's very much like a Testament meets Arch Enemy kind of feel. Then there's another wrestler named Mercedes Martinez, and her theme is more of a reggaeton-style. So it's two very different contrasting styles, but it really is dependent on what the wrestler is looking for.
I have worked with organizations where they're like, "Listen, you're just going to kind of work with us, and we want to control that narrative." (For those who are in wrestling, wink-wink, "control the narrative.") But just in general, often if you're working independently, you get to work directly with the talent. If you're contracted to a specific organization, it could be either way. Gratefully, most of mine has been directly with the talent.
You mentioned that you had to dig into a lot of different genres. Do you have a background interest in different genres, or do you have to learn things as you go, adapt to people's requests, and bring on some new skills?
It's the combination of A and B. I think we all have that friend who doesn't hate much. You know? Like, there’ll be a general consensus around a movie where everyone's like, "Oh, this movie sucks" and there’ll be that one person who can find that redeeming quality in it. That's me with music, mostly. You would assume that for somebody who's so entrenched in music or someone who's gone to school for music that there would be this level of elitism, but I listen to basically all styles of music, and I find an appreciation for them, whether it's classical, metal, jazz, rock, anything really out there. I'm a big fan of country music, too.
When a wrestler comes to me and they ask me for something specific, it's an opportunity for me to sit down and go, "Okay, cool, let's really dive into this style."
Reggaeton I have probably have the least familiarity with, but when Mercedes Martinez was showing me, "This is what I was using before. This is what I really like," you try to find the things that really accentuate that style. Like, “OK, cool. It's very rhythmically-based. There's a lot of groove to it. So we'll do that.”
So even if it's a style I haven't come in contact with, there's really not a style that's outside of my wheelhouse. Does that mean I've written in every style? Not necessarily, but I have written it a lot. If you give me something, I can make it happen. If you give me references, if you give me what your character is supposed to be, we're going to come up with something that people love and something that fits what you're looking for. I love all styles of music. Even if I haven't done it, I can do it.
If there are any wrestlers out there who are listening, John can do it all! Whatever style you're looking for, he can make it happen.
When you talk about being a professional, whether it's a videographer, a composer, or whatever the case is, you have to figure out things in order to survive. How can you maximize all of the things that you do?
Over time, I wanted to be an instrumental metal guitarist. That's very much my parents' style. If I pick up a guitar, that's kind of the stuff that I play, generally, but that isn't the only thing that you should be able to do if you're looking to create a career as a musician.
You need to branch into other styles. You need to look into other sources of income. You need to look into all of these different avenues that you might not have otherwise. Once you start branching off from one place, the seed is where the tree comes from.
Very well said, and very modest.
What kind of variety do you encounter in terms of your clients? When wrestlers approach you, is it largely those who need their very first entrance theme song, they’ve worked with other composers before, or they want to totally reinvent themselves?
Yeah, it's Column A, Column B, Column C. With entrance themes, when you have a wrestler who's starting to really brand themselves and take their character seriously, an entrance theme can be one of those things that helps bring it to life, but it could be the start of their career, right?
I have worked with talent where they're just like, "Hey, I just got out of wrestling school. I want to start hitting the road. I want to start putting down my promos and things like that, so I need something, just bear basics. Here's what I've always thought for my character." I think what's interesting about those is you get a completely fresh perspective.
Also, wrestlers change over time. They go to different territories. They decide, "OK, this doesn't really suit what I want to do. I want to go in a different direction with my character." If they go to a different promotion, all of a sudden it's like, "Hey, you're now not this character. You're now trying to fit within this stable, this group of people or whatnot." You end up having reasons where they'll switch.
A lot of the talent that I've worked with recently has been talent that's been around, gratefully, for whether it's 10 plus years or even 7 plus years, but a significant amount of time, they’ve maybe been on TV or in the public eye for quite some time. So with those wrestlers, a lot of the times they have things they're still using, that sometimes are either a) copyright issues or b) they want to expand on that character.
There are some wrestlers that have come from the big promotion, from the WWE, where that's kind of one of those things — and no digs on anyone that writes for WWE — but you're talking about a publicly-traded company, and they're trying to churn things out fairly quickly, so it's like, "OK, cool. Bullet point. Here's what this is. Go" and then you have to stick with that theme for a little bit of time. So, sometimes wrestlers coming from there that I work with, going out to AEW or huffin' it on the indies, they'll say, "This is what I used here. I like that vibe. Let's stick with it" or "You know what? I want to rebrand myself."
There's a wrestler who just debuted on AEW named Tony Nese. He was the ex-Cruiserweight Champion in WWE. He won the title at WrestleMania. His whole thing is that he's both a fast, high flier wrestler and a strong wrestler. His tagline is, "Move like a cruiserweight, hit like a heavyweight." So with him, when you hear his theme that he was using in WWE, it's very fast. It's uplifting. It's one of these things where you would hear it and you'd want to cheer. It sounds almost like a superhero theme in a way.
When he came off and we started working together, he wanted something that was a little bit more in-your-face, a little bit more driving. So it was a little bit slower, a little bit more methodical, and instead of it being, "OK, cool, here's this guy who can fly around," it focused more on his nickname, which is "The Premier Athlete." He goes in the ring, he poses. He does all these really cool, strong moves that look flashy, and he puts them away. So it was a really good opportunity for him to say, "You know what? Here's what I did like from that, but let's go ahead and make it more in this style. I think that's going to help me speak more in the ring." So it's a combination.
Some people start bare basics. Masha Slamovich, she was actually the 4th theme that I ever wrote, a couple of years ago. We've grown to be friends over the course of time, and she's huffed it from everywhere, from Japan, back to the U.S., here in New Jersey. She recently got signed to IMPACT Wrestling and AXS TV, and the theme that we did originally for her, at first was kind of like a Sevendust-y, Russian Tchaikovsky-inspired theme where it was like, OK, she's really trying to push this narrative, so we had strings, we had all this stuff, and she goes, "Yeah, when I come back to the states, I don't want that." I'm like, "OK. Cool. So what do you want?" She's basically just like, "I drive people on their heads and I'm out to kill people." I'm like, "Alright. So here's what we’ve got to do." A complete 180 from that. Now, when you see her on IMPACT and you hear "The Art of Violence," which is the new theme, and you listen to "Russian Dynamite," which was the original, you kind of see the progression from, here was somebody who was trying to find themselves, and here's the person that knows who they are now. So, it's pretty cool. It's a big progression.
Do you ever get somebody who comes in and is like, "I'm not really sure where I'm going next" and you have to really dig deep to figure out what they want to be, what they're aiming for?
It's less so that they don't know who they are and where they're going. It's more so that they don't have — and I mean no disrespect when I say this — they don't have a defined character that reaches outside of "I'm a wrestler." To use some timely or evergreen examples, when we think of someone like The Undertaker, he was around for 40 years or so. His whole gimmick, at least until 2000-something, what that he was The Deadman. That was his whole thing. He was supposed to be a dead guy. OK, cool. That's a very defined character. You're not going to write an ice cream song for him, right? You're not going to write an indie-style song. You're probably going to write a funeral dirge, which is what lasted over 40 years.
But then you have someone like, for example, Bryan Danielson, who's in AEW. His themes have always been great, and they've always nailed them. They basically took "Flight of the Valkyries" and made rock versions of them and modernized versions.
Daniel Bryan's story was always: he's the best wrestler. OK, well, what do you do with that? What do you highlight? There's got to be a little nugget somewhere else in the character that you can pull from. A while back, I had actually spoken to Jim Johnston. For those who are familiar, Jim Johnston was the composer for 32 years for WWE. I messaged him one day on LinkedIn. I was like, "This guy's not going to answer. I'm just some schmuck," and he ended up responding. We had a little bit of a back and forth, which was cool, and I was like, "Listen, you're talking about how it's easy to write themes for The Undertaker, but what if you have a wrestler who's just a wrestler, or just a fighter, or something like that?" and he goes, "There will always be something that you can connect to, even if it's something that everybody else has. There's something that does make them a little bit unique, so you have to continue to dive to that."
So, for example, if someone's like, "OK, I'm an MMA fighter." OK, great. Well, what else are we doing with that? You could just stop there and be like, "Alright, cool, we're gonna make a rock track. That's great," but I think there's depth in saying, "OK, cool. So when you are an enemy fighter, are you more submission-based? Are you more strike-based? Do you feel that you have a chip on your shoulder? Is this something where you had maybe lost a lot of fights and you all of a sudden came around the other side, you trained, and now you're out to prove something?" There's little things that you can extrapolate from someone. Let's get those extra nuggets and pull those out because that's going to make not just the difference in the music that I write, but it's also going to help you even define more of what you're going for.
I will say that a lot of wrestlers tend to have a pretty strong vision of what they're looking for. In some promotions, they have a little bit more freedom than others, but a lot of promotions now are giving wrestlers that freedom to be who they want to be and, in turn, to have the music that they want to have.
In terms of your personal background, how did you find yourself in this world? Tell us a little bit about your journey and how this became a career path.
It's one of those things, like, you never know what's going to happen. You never know where life will take you. I've been a believer in both sides of that. One door shuts, another one opens, and kind of conversely, what's the other side of that coin? You could be one step away or one move away from the next phase of your life.
I've been a professional musician on and off now for about 10-12 years or so, and I was running a wrestling podcast. (You actually got me in contact with Patricia Rogers. She's so cool. Everything that she and her team do for Those Wrestling Girls is so dope. Check them out! Highlighting female wrestling!)
So, some buddies and I had a podcast called The Armchair Bookers, and we were looking for different ways to maximize our visibility. We were like, "OK, cool. What skillsets do we have?" Well, one guy was good at interviewing. For me, one of my buddies went, "Well, you write music. Have you ever thought about writing music for wrestlers?"
When I was in college, the big thing I wanted to do was start writing music for commercials, films, and video games, and one thing that you find, especially in video games and films, it's more at the mercy of the project than it is at your own writing speed. A film could get put into backlog and a game could get put into development hell.
Wrestlers are some of the nicest people in the world. Everyone's just trying to work together, generally. Everyone's trying to put themselves over, put each other over, so it's cool. Why do I bring that up? Because a couple of the interviews that we had done with The Armchair Bookers podcast, we had become friends with a couple of different wrestlers that were local or on the way up. A gentleman named Ricky Gibson, who now works for UWN under The Midnight Heat, was actually the first person that we interviewed and the first person I ended up doing a theme for. I was like, "Hey, I know how to write music, I know how to release it, but I have no idea how to even get into writing themes for people. There's no roadmap or anything for that." He goes, "Oh yeah, you could go ahead and make one for us."
I don't think they were really expecting much because we were coming from the podcast perspective, and they heard the intro that I had written and it was kind of like a mid-2000s, Three Days Grace kind of thing. It was cool, but you wouldn't think much of it. It's like ten seconds at the beginning of a podcast. Then, I wrote this theme for them, which was this '80s inspired theme, and they were like, "Oh my God, this is really cool." So we started talking again. I was like, "How do you do this?" and he was like, "Well, basically, what you're doing now. Just start reaching out to people, talking to them." I was like, "Is that really it? I know there's copyright and things like that." They were like, "Dude, the wrestling industry is still so up in the air and so independent that there's so many floating ideas, so many floating laws."
So I kept reaching out to different people we had interviewed. Ricky Gibson and Eddie Pearl, to this day, I continue to be friends with. They've referred so many people to me over the course of time, and I'm super grateful for that. Masha Slamovich, same thing. Over the course of time, it just became that people started to learn my name. There were referrals.
I still do a lot of client outreach. For anyone running a small business or a big business, it doesn't matter how big or small you are. Always continue to network, always continue to communicate. Not everything is referrals, and you've still got to put in a lot of legwork, even if it's 30-40% of your business.
Two years later, I'm sitting almost at over 100 themes, and I have probably about 20 in backstock now that I'm working with. So, it's a combination of referrals and reaching out. There were a lot of people that I never thought I'd even get to work with or that would even know my name. It's just crazy to see now.
It took the passion of composing, which is my big love, of being able to write and put music together, and now finding that outlet for something that I enjoy from an entertainment side, which is pro wrestling.
It's a great story for anyone entering a new career, a new industry, to just talk to people. There's no harm in asking. 99% of the people that you'll meet will want to be helpful.
How does it feel to turn on your TV and see/hear your theme played? What’s that experience like?
It's been very humbling. I've always considered myself more of a composer than even a guitarist or a producer. I love the creation of music. I love being able to just take a blank landscape and all of a sudden, “Wow, now it speaks to somebody.” Right? Being able to hear it live, it's a very different experience.
When you hear that other people are resonating with your music, it's really humbling because it’s like, “Hey, I'm just in my studio, writing music for wrestlers.” It’s really cool that I get to work with them, but all of a sudden when you hear that person go live and you see that the music that you wrote is the first thing that resonates with the audience… Like they say in wrestling, it doesn't matter if they're cheering, if they're telling you go away, if they're booing you. If they're quiet and they're dead, then that's when you know that you're not being effective.
There have been a couple of different instances where a wrestler has come to the ring and the crowd gets up, they get really happy, sad, whatever is the case, really animated and the first thing they hear is, for example, The Premier Athlete's theme (Tony Nese), or Dani Jordan's theme when they were using it for AEW, or Darren Young's in New Japan. It's just really cool to see that the music takes on a life of its own because the wrestler is so in tune with what they're doing and in tune with that.
My wife and I run a music school here in Midland Park called The Piano Workshop at Bergen County. I always tell my students, "We all start wanting to be a professional musician." Or let me even scale that back. We all want to pick up an instrument because we see our favorite musician on stage, whether that's a Taylor Swift, a Machine Gun Kelly. For me, when I was younger, that was Blink-182. Even if it's Britney Spears.
For me, being able to come back around all these years later and be like, OK, this is where we’ve come from. All this hard work, all the blood, sweat and tears, so to speak, that you put in, you're all of a sudden able to see the fruits of your labor come to fruition in that way. So it's humbling to be like, OK, cool, we actually took something that we had a passion for and now here we are with it. I was 13, let's say, when I realistically started really getting into music. I'm 33 as of this interview, and I think that humbles 13-year-old me. I'm like, that's crazy. I was sitting in my bedroom in Key West, literally jamming on the guitar — it had an MxPx sticker and a Yamaha sticker and it was like 20 bucks, given to me by my brother — and then all of a sudden, we're here. It's absolutely crazy.
Have you found that social media and Instagram, in particular, have made it easier to connect with wrestlers, potential clients, and to network?
The majority of my business is done through social media.
I think we see a lot of negativity that happens on social media. Gratefully — and knock on wood — I've always had generally positive experiences. You'll get the people every now and again who have their opinions. I don't mind opinions. I mind if you're being a jerk about it, you know? But very rarely have I run into somebody who has genuinely been like, "I'm just a bad day every day.”
I think wrestlers use social media so much to connect with people. It's also the way that their name gets around so much. If someone does a cool move, has a cool match, they end up being able to connect and get it shared.
I feel like a really big way for me to connect with people is through DMs, through Instagram. Probably Instagram, Twitter and Facebook have been the biggest three. I have my YouTube, which I'm always updating with new music, and I have a playlist that I put up of the themes that I've worked on. I think that if if social media wasn't around, it would be much more difficult for me to grow my business, both from a referral standpoint and a communication side.
I always try to be as personal as I can with the wrestlers that I reach out to, and vice versa. I've seen people online that are like, "Oh, I just sent an email blast to 10,000 people and 10 people responded. What's going on?" My thing is I'd rather get 1/64th of the work but know that the person that I'm working with and I really do connect. I try to find out about as much of the industry as possible. I try to find out as much about a wrestler that I want to reach out to as possible. That way, when I do send a message or I do reach out on Twitter, it's not just "Hey, I write music, hire me." It's more like, "Hey, here's what I know about you. Here's what I really appreciate about what you do. I want to offer my services." It's not a tongue-in-cheek, "Hey, you're great. By the way, I do this. Maybe we could work together? Nah, I'm just kidding. But maybe...? I don't know!" None of that stuff because that's just ballocks. It doesn't get you anywhere. It just makes you look like a hack. It's legitimately, "Here's what I like about what you do. Here are my services. I'd love to work with you. Let's see if we can make something happen," and usually people resonate with that. Social media is definitely helpful. There's a tact to how you do it, but it's just how you'd speak to people in general, you know? People really resonate with that.
Excellent advice for any industry. You really want to be personable. Like you mentioned, it's easier now to mass email or mess message people, but if you write that extra little personal something that shows, "Oh, I actually took the time to look and see what you're about and what you've done,” that really goes a long way.
I think every business person, whether they're in a big company or a small company, can look at it the same way. Know who you're reaching out to. There are definitely tools out there where it's just like, "Hi, (insert tag here)," and it adds the person's name, and you pray to God that they didn't put in their last name and their first name in the same thing because it's totally not personable to say "Hi, John Kiernan." Nobody says that. They just use the person’s first name.
Sometimes wrestlers will have different accounts — some for personal, some for their stage stuff. So I always try to be respectful and go to their stage stuff. When I work with wrestlers, there are some that I refer to by their kayfabe names. There are some that I refer to them by their real names. It's always for me preference. There's one person, Lilith Grimm, who I've worked with. We did a theme that was very tribal, very much like a Heilung-style, and we were able to get the hurdy-gurdy player from the band Eluveite to play on it, too. It was really wild, really cool. I still call her "Lilith" to this day because that's what she prefers. Her real name is out there, she has a profile and all that, but I still refer to her as "Lilith" because that's what she wants. Other wrestlers don't care, but you always want to be respectful of that. So I think the more you can learn about somebody, the more you really try to connect with somebody, the more social media can work for you to help you grow.
I'd say, it's still rare to find someone who has both the creativity of an artist as well as a business mind, someone who can figure out how those two worlds work. You have the mind of a business owner and someone who knows how to grow their brand. Looking at your Instagram page, it's not just a whole bunch of random stuff. There's a thought process to what's being posted and how it looks.
Even if you are someone who enjoys, say, playing the guitar for fun, there are definitely some things that business do that you can look at as a model. Look at what businesses are doing. It doesn't hurt. It can only increase your exposure. There's always something to learn if you're just willing to listen and apply.
Absolutely. I've been grateful over my life, whether it's been in or out of music, to work under people who were very strong leaders. Whether that was my time at previous places like Apple, or even just talking to people like Winifred Phillips who is a video game composer, and really just listening to what they do and how they communicate and really the respect that they put down.
It's really interesting. I think each wrestler is their own individual business, and you end up seeing that there are wrestlers who really take that brand seriously, there are others that kind of sit in the middle, and there are others that are like, "OK, cool, what work will come to me, will come." Like, they don't have much on social media, their email is difficult to communicate with. Just with a little bit of tailoring and a little bit of tooling, you can end up being able to connect with way more people.
One thing I try to do pretty frequently is, every day I'll post a story of one of the pieces of music that I've written for a wrestler. I'll tag the wrestler and it gives them traction, it gives me traction. It also gives people the ability to go right to listening to it, to subscribe, to follow, things like that. At least once a week, I usually get one referral from doing things like that because, again, wrestlers are following me, I'm following wrestlers. The industry is kind of like that ouroboros of learning about what's out there, right? So, from things like that, you may get a connection here and there. It's not about seeing someone like a Kardashian — and I'm not bashing them either. It's not like seeing a Kardashian who has 230 million followers and go, "That's my goal." The point is, you need to know your market. You need to know what you're trying to accomplish, and even getting your stuff sometimes in front of 10 people, if it's the right 10 people, then that's fine. You know you're able to grow.
I think what's been a really big thing for me is there are some wrestlers that I haven't heard of until they reach out, or I reach out. There are some wrestlers that all of a sudden reach out, and I look at my DMs and I'm like, "Why are you reaching out to me? I'm nothing! What are you doing?" And it's cool. It's all through the same channels.
I also think that there's going to be competition no matter what. Some people are like, "Don't give away your secrets." Listen, in any industry, there's going to be competition. If someone is successful in an industry, then they're going to duplicate and replicate. So the competition's going to exist, whether you want it to or not. So it's better to create an industry, than it is to just live on an island on your own. You know what I mean?
Right. There might be someone else who does what you do, but it's the relationship that you've built, which is also, of course, tied to your quality of work.
There's a gentleman who works for AEW, who's their main go-to composer. He is “The Guy.” His name's Mikey Rukus. When AEW started, he's the guy who had written all the music. He's the go-to. He's the composer for the company. When I was doing my podcast, I got the opportunity to interview him, and it was cool because we interviewed so many different wrestlers, but I had gotten the opportunity to sit down with somebody in wrestling that was also a musician. So instead of just asking about, "What matches are you looking forward to?" it's was like, "OK, cool, what's your rig? You're using a seven-string. That's awesome. What did you think of this and this?" It was really cool.
One of the first times I ever saw my music on a large promotion was in AEW. They were starting up this show called Dark, which is where they bring in some other talent. (It's a YouTube-exclusive show.) They were able to ask other people, "Hey, do you have music that you can submit for us to use?" I don't know how public they made that. There wasn't a website, but I remember I was sitting working one day, and Mikey Rukus was just like, "Listen, do you have any music you can send it to me? Anything just randomly that we might be able to use?" and I go, "Yeah, when do you need it?" and he's like, "Five minutes from now." I'm like, "Legitimately five?" He's like, "Yeah. I can send you the releases." So I'm like, "I'll send it to you in three! I just happen to be at my computer now." He didn't have to do that. All of a sudden it became the theme that Dani Jordan used for a couple of months while they were using music for the enhancement talent. That was a song I wrote back in 2011 that I had released on a record and things like that. So it was cool.
I think Mikey's always been gracious with me in terms of both being a friend and giving advice in the industry. Even Tony Nese, he came to me to write a theme. I guess there might have been somebody else who was working on something for him and maybe the guy didn't answer his messages, something like that, and so Tony Nese came to me. We worked on something. He ended up loving it, which I'm always proud of. He didn't tell me he was going to AEW. I don't think he knew he was going to AEW. (When I say "going to AEW," wrestlers often will work in different promotions. AEW is one of those promotions where once you're assigned to them, it's a little bit more exclusive, like you're usually going to work exclusively for their programing.)
So we finished up the theme. He did a couple of different shows, one actually for UWN, and then all of a sudden he goes "Hey, I'm going to AEW to work on the program Dark." (One thing about Dark is that they don't use music for the enhancement talent now. It's just quicker for them to get people in the ring. "Enhancement talent" refers to people who aren't, let's say, signed to the company and are just there to make the onboard talent shine.) So I go, "Yeah, no problem, I'll go ahead and I'll obviously give you the music, give you the release. I'll speak to my guy, Mikey Rukus over there. He knows me and he knows how I work." I send over the music to Mikey Rukus, and he goes, "Yeah, he's going to be on Dark. I don't know what they're going to do with him." What that means to me is they're not going to use this music for Dark, obviously. I go, "OK, cool makes sense." I kind of knew that going into it. All of a sudden, I'm watching Dynamite, which is their TNT show, and Tony Nese is sitting in the crowd. No music, but he's sitting in the crowd. I'm like, "That's weird for a Dark person" and he goes, "Yeah, they told me, like, 10 minutes before time, just go sit in the crowd." I go, "OK." So I reached out to Mikey again. I go, "So... What's going on?" He goes, "Oh yeah, they're going to allow him to make an entrance on Dark." I'm like, "OK, cool. Can you tell me anything?" "No." "OK. NDA." They start using his music there and he goes, "It's really up to Tony Khan if they want him to continue using music.” He's like, "I like it. It's cool" and then all of a sudden fast forward, and now he's using it on Dynamite. Tony Nese is signed to AEW officially now. Mazel tov and congratulations to him. He deserves it so, so much.
It's one of those things. You don't know where connections and how connections are going to go. I'm always grateful to have someone that dedicates that time, even to just speak on a friend basis, and continues that connection that way. It was something that I was like, "Oh, here's a piece of music that's going to be written for Tony Nese. Tony Nese is great. He's going to go around and do all this" and then all of a sudden, he's on AEW. and I'm like, "That's nuts!" and Mikey is cool with using the music. So, there we go.
You never know which way things were going to go, who knows who, and who's going to be connected with someone at some point.
have you actually gotten to go to wrestling events and physically be present while your music is playing?
Something always comes up when you have a child and you have a job. So, unfortunately, not yet. There might be a few things coming up that I will be going to, and especially now in Jersey, there are so many different wrestling events that happen, whether it's South Jersey, or up here in Bergen County, or down by the Shore. There's so much wrestling going on that I have to be able to get there one way or another. So hopefully soon I'll be able to see it in person. The most that I've seen it is on TV. My son is two-and-a-half. I don't have him watch wrestling, obviously, right now. When he gets older, cool. But, you know, when all of a sudden I was like, "Oh, Tony Nese is going to be on Dynamite,” I'm like, 'Watch the TV! This is crazy!'" So he got to see that. But I haven’t seen it in person yet.
Let’s somehow schedule all your clients and your life so you have a week off so it lines up exactly.
Exactly. It's one of these things where it's like, if you're the one that puts the kid to sleep, then you have to hope the kid gets to sleep by the time that the show starts. So you're like, "Alright, cool. Please go to sleep. Please. Please go to sleep a little bit earlier today."
"I'll write some sleeping music for you."
Exactly! Some dreaming entrance music.
Hey, there's a lot of kids that need to go to sleep. The next big thing. We'll get you on Shark Tank somehow.
Oh, man. In front of Kevin O'Leary? Absolutely! I'd be like, "Yeah, I work with wrestlers right now, but have you ever worked with babies?" and they're like, "Please make this quick. I don't know where this is going."
It might be the most-watched episode yet.
“Babies? I'm intrigued! Yes!”
I will say, we're joking about the baby music now, but even through wrestling, I've been grateful to get other work, too. Some light film work here and there for a short horror movie. I've done different podcast introductions, too.
One thing that I'm grateful for is that wrestling themes, I'm probably writing three or four entrances a week, on a good week. One or two, if I have a little bit more time. But in general, it's still so many different styles that if a wrestler says, "Hey, I need something in this style," I could send them a piece of music that I've written in style a, b or c. Even a podcast. There was a podcast I recently did where it was all about women in business, and they were like, "Do you have something that's a little bit more technology-focused but has a little bit more of an upbeat nature?" I was like, "Yeah, yeah, definitely" and I sent them one of the tracks that I'd done, and I got to work on a podcast intro there. Someone was looking for a synth-wave track for a gaming channel. I was able to do something there.
The wrestling themes, I'm writing them at such a ferocious pace in so many different styles that it's giving me a reel of content. It sounds wacky to say that in two years it's been over 100 themes in so many styles, but that's kind of the life as a professional musician. I've been able to say, "Oh, I'd love to be part of this project. Here is a collection of music that I've written so you know that I can write in a variety of styles." That's the other part I've been really, really grateful for.
Do you have anything coming up that we should know about? Any big projects that you're excited about? I'm sure there are some things you can't totally reveal, but anything in the works that you can tease us about and we can follow up with you later?
There's always so much music. I won't say I do these crazy break-the-budget videos, but I'll always do audio-visual art for my music. If a music video can be done, cool. I have an artist that I work with who's phenomenal, for the majority of themes that I put out. His name's Hiban Huerta. He's out in California. He works with NWA. He does a lot of great stuff.
Marina Shafir is a wrestler who just wrestled on AEW Dark. I just finished up a theme for her which is very different than what you would assume, for those who know Marina Shafir. She has an MMA fighter background. It's not rock, it's not metal. It’s classical, which is crazy. When she told me why, I was like, "This totally works. Let's do it. I'm here for it. We'll write something in a Romantic-style."
I'm back-stocked on about 20 themes right now to release, and I'm back-stocked on probably about 20 themes that I have to start. So, there's always something coming.
There is a wrestler named Jase Osei who I worked with recently, and hopefully in the next couple of weeks I'm going to be releasing his track which features Josiah Williams on it. Josiah Williams was the backstage vocalist for WWE NXT. He’s a great guy and phenomenal rapper, so that one should be coming out soon.
I will say, there's lots of stuff, surprisingly, that's planned for 2022. Just follow me on all the things — Facebook, Instagram, Spotify, YouTube. Sometimes I end up releasing things without a release plan — and that's the worst thing after we just talked for 20 minutes about independent business shit, but that's where we are sometimes! But there will always be something cool in the pipeline, is what I'll say.
What's the best way for people to reach out to you? Do you have one particular platform that you seem to check more?
I think Instagram and Facebook have probably been the two that are the easiest to check and communicate. Instagram and Facebook follow the same handle, @JohnKiernanMusic. I'm on Twitter also, but it is the black sheep. It's @JKiernanGuitar because of character limits. JohnKiernanMusic@gmail.com is also where I am fairly communicative.
So Instagram first, I would say. Email second. Facebook third or whatever. I check all of them fairly consistently. JohnKiernanMusic.com is updated fairly frequently, too.
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WRESTLING ENTRANCE THEME SONGS BY JOHN KIERNAN:
JOHN KIERNAN: This is Masha Slamovich. She's fantastic. The first video is how she looked when we did her first theme, and the second is how she looks now. She’s really elevated her brand. Originally, she was just a person that had a Russian background. Then over time, she started working in Japan. Japan is more of a rough style, versus WWE, they're very careful. She came to me basically being like, "I want to kick people's heads in." I'm like, "OK." (Masha Slamovich debuted with her new theme on IMPACT on AXS TV last night, January 6th!)
This first theme we did, I called it "Variations on Marche Slave" because it is actually a Tchaikovsky piece. Back then she was like, "I really want to dive into the Russian thing,” but then when she came back over to the States, she was like, “I want people to know that I'm violent.” So, it became a different thing. If you're familiar with Kill Bill, we inserted what we call the "Masha Death Whistle." That's the first thing that you hear. Like when think of Stone Cold, you think of the glass breaking. That first thing that you hear. So the new theme is way more in your face.
This one is very “Heilung." Heilung is a band, and they're very world-based. You see them and they have the tribal headdresses, they have the deer heads with the antlers. This is the one that has the hurdy-gurdy player. Already, you see the person has that presence about them. She's tatted up, she's got the purple hair, she's got the mask. I don't know how she got the mask. It's so cool. It's like a skeleton mask that when she moves her mouth, it moves. I'm like, "That's fucking wild." They gave her death metal entrance theme music, and she was like, "That's not what it is. My gimmick is not that. My gimmick is like a bone collector demon. It should be something that feels like I'm being summoned from somewhere" and I'm like, "I agree."
This one is for a Jersey-based team called The StepDads. They were using this total '80s, '90s cheese ball stuff, like "Pour Some Sugar on Me", that kind of thing, but they did want to be tongue in cheek. They were sending me the Family Matters theme and things like that. They were like, "We want that." Like, total sitcom. The wink and the nod. You'll hear when that comes in. This one, I had to bring in a saxophonist.
This gentleman here is named Effy. He's a guy who's very big on the independents. He's very much a wrestler of the LGBTQ community. His thing is also about kind of bucking the corporate media. His theme, usually, is "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" by Elton John, but when he works with promotions that have TV, you obviously can't do that unless you get the rights. So the company I work for, UWN, was like, "We need something that's kind of like that." Effy himself said, "The theme needs to be gay. It needs to be super gay. And if it's not super gay, I'm going to cry. Big gay tears." His words, not mine, but you know, you ask and we deliver.
This was kind of my first time going into dubstep. I don't really know much about the style, but we did it. This was for Rowdy Roddy Piper's daughter. Her name's Teal Piper. Their gimmick is called House of Heathens, which they kind of say is like The Purge. They don't do the whole purge thing, but they kind of see themselves as that. So the point with this was making it almost post-apocalyptic in a way.
The voice that you hear at the beginning is hers, and the voice that you hear throughout is mine through a vocoder that I don't know how to use. I say that because I knew that I wanted something very robotic and I was just like, "I don't know how to do this." I was messing around with a vocoder, and if you change your voice up even like a semitone, it does this jump so it sounds like this kind of apocalyptic radio. Teal Piper sent me her vocals, which are her saying, “House of Heathens.” I said, “Have you ever seen Resident Evil? She goes, “Yeah.” I go, “Do you know the Red Queen? She goes, “Yeah, the little girl.” I go, “You know when she says, ‘You're all going to die down here’ and it's just this complete robotic monotone? Give me that.”
This is for Marina Shafir. It starts kind of big and grandiose, and then it shrinks down to an Edith Piaf kind of thing. I had no idea what she wanted at first. She kept giving me that period piece sound and I'm like, “Are you sure?” and she's like, “Yeah, I'm totally sure.” So I kept giving her these pieces that has a little bit more drive. I was like, “How deep do you want me to go?” Eventually it got to a point where it's what you hear here.
This one here is very much a straight-ahead rock track. This one I wrote with my buddies in It Lives, It Breathes. They are a band that wrote a couple of different themes. They had such success with one theme they did, that they got other wrestlers asking them for stuff. The singer of It Lives, It Breathes, Kevin, was like, “We want to bring you in on this one.” I ended up writing all the guitars and basically everything that is a string. This theme was the first one of mine that got onto TV.
This is for a wrestler that hasn't debuted yet. Her name is Airica. She's like 16. They're out in the Midwest. Her thing is like being an anime character basically come to life. So if you're familiar with J-Rock and K-Pop, this is very much in that style. I actually brought in a vocalist who I found on Instagram from Malaysia to sing this one. It’s very much like My Hero Academia.
This one is for a wrestling group (referred to as a “stable”) called The Division. This one is probably one of my favorites for a few reasons. Number one, the people in the group (there's like six of them) are all the nicest guys and girls in the world.
“An Angel’s Song” and “YAKATA” are both basically revolving around the same theme. As one of my buddies put it, “I like how you're taking liberties with wrestlers.” What he meant by that was, this is kind of a stable theme. If you listen to each of these, you're going to hear that the thematic material is the same.
“We Are Change” is kind of like the parent theme from which all the others exist. Rico de la Vega is very proud of his Puerto Rican heritage. His theme’s a little more reggaeton. Notorious Mimi, she wears angel wings to the ring. I wanted to have something with the group that even if you leave, you can have a theme that stands on its own, but you could also have something that ties you back into the family.
This theme was released on December 30th, 2020. Mercedes Martinez debuted on AEW on December 29th. She is now signed with the company.
Interview with Crash Doll Vintage
By Sonia Schnee | Posted Saturday, December 18, 2021
For those who don’t know Nancy Cook — you should. Whether she’s rocking out with her band Megasparkle, putting together art shows and events, making dresses by hand, or uncovering fabulous vintage items, one thing is for certain: Nancy is always on the go. Her vintage clothing and accessory business, Crash Doll Vintage, is the place to go if you’re looking for that rare, stylish vintage piece to add to your growing wardrobe. (If you’re in NYC, check out the Crash Doll Vintage pop-up at 340 E 64th Street, now through January 16, 2022.) Learn all about Nancy’s fashionable beginnings, what it was like to start a business during COVID, and how to shop Crash Doll Vintage online, in our interview below.
What inspired you to start Crash Doll Vintage?
I started Crash Doll Vintage one week after COVID started, in March of 2020. What spurred me into starting a business was the fact that I couldn’t keep any of my jobs in small business or do event planning, and I've always loved vintage clothing.
I've been collecting vintage clothing since I was 15-years-old. I used to ask my mom to drive me to stores that I liked, and I used to be like, "There's this really great store in Montclair, I need to go check out the vintage clothes." I was also really fascinated with flea markets and estate sales, stuff like that when I was a kid, all the little treasures that you could find that all had a previous story. I think the first little antique things that I got were from my next-door neighbor, Mrs. Earl. When I was four-years-old, she invited me into her attic and she gave me a little tiny rubber ball and a little spider, and I was like, "Oh!" I kept that little rubber ball and spider forever. Recently, I learned that she did this numerous times and in fact gave me her diary. I wish I still had it.
I had decided to start the business one week into COVID because I wasn't going to be working at Maplewood Mercantile. I couldn't work there (due to the pandemic). I had gotten a job as an event assistant in floral design helping out at weddings, but I never actually got to do that because all the weddings got canceled. I put on music shows and I couldn't do that and all these pop-ups and event planning. I was like, "OK, what the heck am I going to do? I can't just sit around and do nothing." So I started Crash Doll Vintage seven days after the pandemic hit!
Where does the name “Crash Doll Vintage” come from?
The name "Crash Doll" was actually something I considered for our band name, Megasparkle, but Thea (Kearney) really didn’t like Crash Doll, and so we didn't use it. We had a really hard time picking a band name. It's actually kind of humorous how much of a hard time we had picking a name that we all could agree on. So yeah, that's how it started.
I used to have these pajamas that had "Babydoll" embroidered by the heart, and I always liked the word "babydoll" and I love babydoll dresses and fashion, so "Doll" kind of came from that. I also had a baby doll when I was little, called Baby Tender Love. I just liked the word "doll.” I think of dolls as something you dress up and I liked the idea of, "I pick out these clothes to dress people up." And "crash", I don't know. "Crash" is just like... I liked the way it sounded together, and I guess it kind of made sense when the whole world sort of came to a halt in the beginning of COVID, so it was like "Crash Doll." It just came together like that.
In the beginning, I used a room divider and then I changed my mind shortly into it and decided to go with the Sonic Youth poster. I just love that album and I love the art behind it.
I like themes. Like, I have these black shorts and I wear the black shorts all the time with a top. Oftentimes, I'll wear the black shorts, which are part of Crash Doll's look. I just think it's really funny and cheeky. I do it seriously, but I also find it a little bit of a comedy/actress sort of thing. It's like I adopt a personality. I put on the sunglasses, which are made by this company called Crap Eyewear, and I'm just like, "OK. I'm Crash Doll now." My mom jokes that when I get famous, the sunglasses are going to be worth like a million dollars.
I like it! Great branding. Everything comes together. The logo.
My logo was designed by Kelly Weiner in Montclair who works at Parcel, and she got it so spot on. I was like, "Holy shit! That's so good!" At first, I was like, "Oh, I'm not smiling" and then… No, I like that I'm not smiling. I look like a tough chick."
Right. It goes with the persona. It's got its own cool thing. It's definitely a recognizable vibe.
Yeah, and it fits in with the Pettibon, the artist who did the Sonic Youth poster was Raymond Pettibon, and so she made me into one of those characters. So it goes with the whole theme.
So I was doing that out of the house, and then in the spring I started doing markets in town, and then I went and did the Springfield Avenue Market in Maplewood. I did the Baker Street Market. I went out to Brooklyn and did the Greenpoint Terminal Market. I got an opportunity at this organization called ChaSaMa. I applied for this space, and I got a pop-up with my art and Crash Doll on 14th Street on December 8th through January 6th, and then they called me up and asked me if I was interested in popping up in Bryant Park, so I did that and I got "The Dolls."
How did you find your models?
The two girls that model for me, one is named Sophie. I met her at my market on Springfield Avenue. She came running up to me and she was like, "Oh, my God, I want to see if this dress is still here. It's still here! I'm so happy!" and we just started talking and I was like, "What are you doing later?" We became really good friends. She was an au pair in Maplewood for a year, and I was like the first person she met. She's from Manchester. She's the one with the long red hair.
The other girl, Charlotte, her and her mom have always shopped in all the small businesses I've worked out of, and I've always liked them. They're really cool. I asked her to model and she was like, "Yeah, I'll do it." I'm like, "Cool!" So, yeah, they're my dolls. They like being called "The Dolls." It's funny.
How far in advance do you look for a market or an event?
I try to get a month or two months ahead. I'm looking into some different places in the city. I think now that things seem to be improving as far as people going out, we feel comfortable going out and shopping. I think they'll be even better attended, and definitely the ones outside. I think that people are getting more comfortable going indoors, so it's good.
I think some people were nervous about coming into my kiosk, so I would say, "Oh, you know, I can step outside and you can go in by yourself if you feel more comfortable" and some people were like, "Oh, yeah, OK." It was kind of a smaller space, whereas 14th St was a 3,000 square feet.
How easy or hard is it to find vintage items? Do you sell clothing only, or jewelry and other things as well?
Clothing, jewelry, shoes, purses. The focus right now is the 1920s through the '90s. I probably have most of my pieces from the '60s to the '90s. There's a few things that will pop up from the '40s and '50s and the '20s and ‘30s.
I source it from all different places. I also have a few people who I consign with. There's a woman I met, Eileen. She came into my pop-up and she has a huge studio full of vintage, and she just lets me go in there and select whatever I want and if someone purchases it, then we split it. She's been a real asset to my business and she is just really wonderful.
I feel like I've had a lot of luck, and I feel really blessed with the opportunities that have come my way and the people who I've met along the way. It's been a lot of fun.
I think, "What if I didn't decide to do this, what would it have been like for me?" I think I really would have gotten down. I need to be active and out there and engaging with people and have projects. I tend to kind of be a multitasker. I guess I like to have my hands on a lot of creative things. It makes me happy. This has been a really great focus for me.
You have multiple interests (art, music, clothing). Do you find there's any overlap or interaction? Does one area inspire another?
I sew and knit. So if I get a vintage piece that needs mending, I can mend it, so I can use my sewing skills that way. Sometimes when I do the markets, I'll bring my handmade items because I have handmade clothes and knitwear. I do that, too.
I'm doing a capsule collection for this company called Hearth in Australia, knitting sweaters and hats and scarves for her. Where do I find all the time to do that? I don't know. On the train. Sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night, it'll be like four in the morning, I'm like, "I'll do a few stitches now."
I had another small business called Wool and Violets that was handmade kids clothes and women's and children's knitwear.
When people walk into your store or pop-up, what kind of reactions do they have?
Usually, people are very excited and they're like, "Oh my God! I really like the stuff that you've curated!” People have told me that it's very "me" and that I have my own kind of approach to it.
At one point I was just like, "Oh, you know, there's so many people doing vintage clothes. I don't know how I'm going to compete with all them" and someone said “You don't have to compete with anybody. You bring your own style to it and your style is different than everyone else's." So that's absolutely 100 percent true. It's my brand and carefully curated. I would wear most of the pieces in my collection.
I've gotten some really, really glowing reviews. Like this one girl in NY told me, "You're the coolest girl I've ever met." I was like, "What?!" Haha.
I had another girl that bought a dress from me that she's going to wear for her wedding. So that was a big compliment, that she found to dress in my collection that she wanted to wear to get married. I was like, "Oh, my God, this is so exciting." She was telling me that and she doesn't really care that about the guy seeing the dress, this whole myth, like, "Oh, he shouldn't see the dress. That is bad luck." She brought the dress home and she had my business card, and her fiancé went and looked at the dress and texted me and he was like, "Hey, I couldn't help it. I peeked. I found the dress. I absolutely love it." I was like, "Oh, my God. You guys made my day! You have to send me a photo when you get married in May" and he's like, "I absolutely will." That was like a huge compliment.
Then there's people that keep coming back, the repeat customers, that just keep supporting me, the people that are every day showing up for me on Instagram. They're always liking my posts and being my cheerleaders and supporters. Some I know, some I don't know. Some are really good friends of mine, some acquaintances, some are strangers. So, I mean, it's really nice to see that and have that kind of support.
You mentioned that you've been wearing vintage clothes since you were fifteen.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to go into these shops. Two of them were on Bloomfield Avenue and then there were a couple on a side street near the record shop. I forget the name of the street, but they were mostly in Montclair. Then in my college years, I started driving out to the Newark Salvation Army. I would go to Red, White and Blue in Paterson. I started going to flea markets more around that time. I've been thrifting and vintage shopping for years and I always loved clothes.
In fact, when I lived in my parents' house, I had two really huge closets, but then that wasn't enough. It's really a problem! So then I had my friend Arnold, who has passed away, but he built me a clothing rack because I needed more space for clothes.
Now, it's pretty much the same. My upstairs closets are filled to the brim and the attic, my bedroom closets are filled to the brim. I have an armoire and then I have four racks of vintage clothes. Two of them are at the store and two of them are in my hallway here. But, you know, everybody seems to roll with me, so no one's kicked me out of the house quite yet. Ha!
When I was in kindergarten in Bloomfield, I was adamant about what I would wear, and I would have little dresses and skirts on all the time, miniskirts and minidresses, and my tights would be falling down and I'd be pulling them, pulling and tugging at my tights and fixing my skirts and dresses and telling my mom that she had to walk, like, six feet behind me. She wasn't allowed to go with me. I had to do everything myself. It was going to be my way.
My mom likes to tell this story. On my first birthday, she had three different dresses that she put me on throughout the day, and one I ripped, crawling, and one I got chocolate cake on, but she said she was really happy that happened because then she got to change my outfit and I got to wear three pretty dresses. She's not into fashion, my mom, but she liked dressing me when I was little. But then she didn't have any say by the time I was, like, three probably.
How do you prepare for different pop-ups and markets? Do you pick the best 100 vintage pieces and then leave the rest at home?
I kind of curate for the individual pop-up. For Mada, it was the spring-summer capsule collection, so it was just pieces that would work for spring and summer, and there were bathing suits and cover-ups and a couple of vintage t-shirts.
Most of my pieces I think are on the dressier side because that's who I am. I don't do vintage jeans. I have like maybe two pairs of pants. I don't really do pants because I don't really wear pants myself that much. So the clothes that I pick and carry are representative of the style I am, for the most part. It's like skirts, dresses, tops, vintage bathing suits, jewelry, purses, the Crash Doll Vintage logo tees.
Another thing I like and this is sort of catching, I think more people are doing it, I like wearing slips out not under. You can take a vintage slip dress and wear it with a t-shirt or put a cardigan over it. I did that when I was in college. I used to wear a vintage slip with a blazer. So I haven't changed since I was 20, so. Haha.
Hey, it's sharp. It's fashion. It works.
It works! I mean, Marc Jacobs makes slip dresses, and the '90s were all about slip dresses. Courtney Love wore slip dresses. I think most people my age are kind of, like, stuck in that time period, in the '90s.
It was a good time period.
Yeah, and I love the '60s. I LOVE the ‘60s. Not like the hippie-dippy. I'm too much of a punk to accept the hippie. I can't. I like punk music and hardcore music and indie and new wave and all of that stuff, but no Grateful Dead. None of that. No, no. Ha!
It's a different type of vintage.
Yeah, you're not going to find anything like that [at Crash Doll]. But I love Godard, you know, the French [filmmaker]. That style, like mid-'60s and Twiggy minidress and that kind of stuff. That's me. I love miniskirts and minidresses. That's never going to change. I think I'll like them when I'm 80. I don't know if I'll still be wearing them when I'm 80, but if I look good, I might be.
Go for it! Why not?
Everybody can laugh at me. Haha. You know, there's people who say, “You can't dress a certain way at a certain age.” I don't believe that. I think if you feel good and you look good in it, then you should wear it, absolutely.
Very true. Words to live by, for sure.
It's important. It's important to me because I feel more comfortable dressed up. Like today, I was actually in my gym clothes for a long time, but I really hate being in gym clothes. I don't really like going out and doing things in gym clothes. That bothers me. Even when my kids were little, I was dropping them off at preschool and I would have my gym clothes underneath a nice outfit, and then I would like take it off when I got to the gym, [and then] put it back on. I just don't like it. I just don't feel comfortable, you know? But I won't wear a dress to the gym.
There used to be this guy at the gym that would wear his button-down shirt and fancy pants, and he'd exercise like that before he went to work and I was like, "Wow, my gosh." I was kind of like, "What a weirdo. I can't relate," but now that I think about it and what I'm saying to you right now, he really wasn't comfortable in that! Maybe he's not a weirdo after all! We should accept that guy.
I hope it was like a light run and not like a 5-mile jog.
He was just on the exercise bike, which was funny.
He was pretending, "If I were in the city, I'd be biking to..."
People are characters.
That is true. But hey, characters make the world interesting.
The more wacky a person... Like, I tend to gravitate towards other artsy types, and I have friends that aren't all my age, which I also think is really important, to keep life exciting. Like, if I only hung out with people my own age, I think I would go crazy.
When I was younger, I was in a poetry group and it was five of us and there were two 22-year-olds, two women in their 40s, and one 80-year-old, and out of everybody, the 80-year-old was the coolest. She was the best. She was cooler than any of us. For real.
With Crash Doll, I've sold to young kids and up to women in their 70s. One of my repeat customers, I don't actually know her age, but I am going to guess that she's in her 70s, early-70s, late-60s.
I have had models shop and buy my things in the city.
And then little kids will come up and buy a silk neck scarf and I think, "This is probably the first vintage piece they bought" and I just think, "Am I starting a whole new thing for them?" That's exciting, too.
In terms of you getting interested in vintage when you were a kid, was it something like, "Oh, the store was there, so I went in and explored just because it was there?" or was it something about the pieces being different or feeling different, a curiosity?
I probably saw the store, was just really curious about it, and cinema may have had some part in it, just being drawn to movie actresses and looks. Probably fashion magazines, too, because I was always buying fashion magazines as a teenager. Music, too. Music and fashion kind of go together.
Finding unique pieces. It's like, you didn't just get this at the store and somebody else could be showing up for the same thing. It's something different that nobody else can get, unless they can, because sometimes you'll find the same vintage thing and sometimes you'll find it three times, which is really bizarre.
Do people ever reach out to you on social media and say, "Hey, I have something" or "I found something in the attic or through a relative"?
Yeah. People will connect with me about things that they have, that they want to see if I want to buy.
People do ask all the time, and it's cool. It's fun. I like hearing people's stories, and people are always telling me their stories, like, "Oh my God, I had a purse just like that and I lost it and it was just so sad. I'm so glad you have one because now I can have it again!"
Are there any particular items that you have your eye on, that you like to bring in for the spring and summer?
I think I might bring in some sunglasses and some other kinds of accessories. I definitely do want to try and get my hands on some vintage sunglasses because they work really well for me, and I was thinking about trying to do a few more casual kinds of pieces because most of my stuff is really dressy. I noticed lately that skirts are selling really well. So I want to try and find some cute vintage skirts and tops and gauzy cotton dresses. I might try to do some jean shorts, too.
I think maybe it would be kind of cool if I designed something. I have t-shirts, but I was thinking maybe of taking the logo and doing something else with it, but I'm not quite sure yet.
Do you do personal styling?
I did my first vintage styling. That was a lot of fun. I turned this actress into a singer-songwriter that's really obscure from the 1950s. Her name is Connie Converse. My friend is a photographer and asked me to style her. So I did the wardrobe and props styling and it was really fun. I had to pick out all the outfits and everything fit her perfectly. It was amazing. She was just like, “I can't believe it. This fits me perfectly!” I'm like, “Yep. I know what I'm doing!”
I really enjoy it and I thought it was a lot of fun. I like the challenge of finding the pieces that would work to create this character. I had pretty much all the props. It was like the night before. “Do you have a suitcase from the 1960s?” I'm like, “Yeah.” “Do you have a telephone that would have been used in the ‘60s and ‘70s?” I'm like, “Yeah, yeah.”
We started in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, and we went all the way up to Nyack to this guy who had all these Volkswagen Bugs, and we borrowed one of the Bugs for the last part of the shoot because she disappeared in 1974 and drove away in her Volkswagen Bug and nobody ever heard from her again. So that was the last thing we shot.
Is there anything else you’d like people to know about you?
I have some selected items on Etsy under “Crash Doll Vintage” and on Facebook and Instagram.
If people have any questions for me, reach out. Even if it’s just about things like repairing vintage, because I do that, too. That’s part of the job, cleaning it or repairing it. I don't necessarily offer it [as part of my business], but I mean, as I collect pieces, sometimes they'll be missing a button, and sometimes I think that something will look better if it's hemmed or just tweaked a little bit. Mostly a lot of the alterations I've been doing are on my own pieces.
I’m also open to people if they have something in their mind that they can't find. Like, I have a little list going on. Michelle from Bone Pool Radio, she was like, “Oh, if you ever come across a red kimono with a dragon on the back, let me know.” I like knowing what people are looking out for.
Interview with Megasparkle
By Sonia Schnee | Posted Saturday, December 18, 2021
Megasparkle, the kickass all-female band from Maplewood, NJ, hasn’t let the pandemic slow them down. Delivering a mix of indie, post-punk, pop-rock deliciousness, Thea Kearney (lead guitar, vocals), Nancy Cook (guitar, vocals), Kristy Ranieri (bass), and CJ Jeiven (Drums) released their first 5-song E.P, “Swirling Glitter”, back in February 2021. I was fortunate to have the opportunity to speak with Thea and Nancy about their pandemic-related musical adventures in our interview below.
What are your names, where are you from, and what do you do?
NANCY COOK: I’m Nancy Cook and I live in Maplewood, N.J. I grew up in Glen Ridge next to Montclair about 20 minutes away from here.
I’ve always been creative. Right now, I am mainly making art, music and selling vintage clothing. I started my business, Crash Doll Vintage, in 2020. I make textile art, installation art and sew & knit. I sometimes paint and use pastels.
Before the pandemic, I was working for Parcel in Montclair and a co-op in town called Maplewood Mercantile. I was also their event planner and planned pop ups, music shows, art shows, tastings etc. I still continue to put on music shows.
THEA KEARNEY: Well, she's a really amazing seamstress. Amazing. Really, like a ninja on the sewing machine. I always see her posting pictures like, "Oh, I just whipped up this dress last night." I'm like, "Oh my God! I can sew a pillow, that's about it.”
NANCY COOK: Yes! I sew dresses and clothes! I had a children’s clothing line for several years called Wool and Violets. Nowadays, I mostly make knitwear under that name and recently created a capsule collection for Hearth Co. in Australia
I’m very much into tactile things. Guitar fits right in. I play guitar and sing as well. I also play bass guitar which I just picked up last year. As a child I played piano and flute. I picked up the guitar in 2018 at the same time as joining a band with Thea. She was like…‘Let’s start a band’ and I said ‘OK’ and so I started taking lessons. I had always wanted to play guitar!
THEA KEARNEY: Yeah! I mean, you're a multi-tasker.
Are you originally from New Jersey or the surrounding area?
THEA KEARNEY: I'm not originally from New Jersey. I'm actually from Brooklyn, although I was born in Washington, D.C. I moved to Brooklyn when I was six months old. I identify with New York City. I'm pretty much a New York City person. Although, it's funny. My mother is from New Jersey and kind of a funny story because she always tried so hard to get out of New Jersey. She's a writer and went to college and all that. She spent so much time getting away from the suburban provincial... She always kind of was like (scoffs) "Oh, New Jersey." We would only go back to visit the relatives, and so I was such a city person, I was like, "I am never moving to New Jersey, over my dead body."
NANCY COOK: I said I was never moving back to the suburbs either!
THEA KEARNEY: It's so funny because all my relatives moved to other parts of the country, then I discovered New Jersey again. I looked at places in Rockland County, in upstate New York, and they were really expensive and not that nice, and there was a big highway that was always in everyone's backyard. Then I found out about Maplewood. I went and I fell instantly in love with it. I was like, "These beautiful houses and nature! This is New Jersey?!" and one thing led to another, and I moved here with my husband. I've been living in New Jersey for about 12 years now with my family.
Tell me about your creative background.
THEA KEARNEY: I'm like Nancy. I do way too many things. Not so much with the sewing, but I have a background in graphic design. I have two college degrees in art, visual arts, a Bachelor's of Fine Arts, Master of Fine Arts. I went to the School of Visual Arts and was one of the first people to ever learn about computer graphics. I would say it was like the Stone Ages just because it was a lot harder to do stuff than it is now. Now you just press two buttons and it's done, whereas you had to follow like a logbook of steps to get anything accomplished with the graphics back in the day. I had done that for a long time. Website design. I used to design CDs, logos, and then I got kind of tired of that, so I started a face painting business called Fifi’s Face Painting, but the pandemic kind of put an end to that and I just sold the business this year.
I've been doing music my whole life, since I was really young, playing various instruments -- violin, piano, drums, guitar -- but I decided when I was a teenager that I would just basically stick with the guitar, so that's my main instrument. Then I started singing as well as songwriting, and that's what we've been doing in Megasparkle.
Do you come from musical families?
NANCY COOK: As far as music, there’s not really anyone in my immediate family that’s musically inclined though one of my Uncles played guitar.
My Dad instilled a love of classical music in me. He used to take me to classical concerts as a child. That and learning to play the piano. My Aunt Lillian used to take me to NYC to see Mostly Mozart. She sang in a trio in the 1940’s on the radio. I guess you could say I’m a trailblazer in my family. At 12 I declared, I wanted to be a singer and my Dad said ‘No, absolutely not, you’re not good enough’ so ha, I am got to do that and I have songs now. He also told me I couldn’t do art and fashion and I’m doing that as well. So, I guess I burst his bubble! Ha!
THEA KEARNEY: So have you played Megasparkle for him?
NANCY COOK: I did play one or two songs for him, but he hasn't heard all of them yet. I should have my family sit down and listen to Megasparkle. Maybe next time we have a holiday gathering and we can all be together, I can play Megasparkle for everybody.
THEA KEARNEY: That would be cool. I'd like to hear what they have to say.
My mother was a jazz singer. She's more of a poet and an award-winning published author of more than 18 books, but she's also written a few songs. My father played the flute for a while and the recorder, but he's one of those people who has the radio on 24/7, so since I was a little kid, he would have the classical music station on all the time, so I was listening to that since I came out of the womb, basically. Even though I'm a rocker, I still kind of love classical music, too.
NANCY COOK: Wow. We never actually knew that about each other!
THEA KEARNEY: Yeah! We don't talk about all these things. My mom sings, and she also had a harp that she used to play. She's also a very creative person. She's done all kinds of stuff, too. I have some cousins who play music, but nobody famous or professional, as far as I know.
It's funny, actually, when Nancy said that about her dad, I was like, "My mom does not like the kind of music that I like," and I feel like there's a little rebelliousness going on here with, "Well, this is what WE like." You know?
NANCY COOK: My parents never liked the music I listened to. My Dad hated certain bands and songs and if he didn’t like it, I would sometimes play it louder like The Smiths, The Cure, Sex Pistols, The Clash etc. He hated hardcore the most. I would play it so loud the chandelier would be shaking downstairs. I still like it really loud. I get into trouble now for playing the music too loud in the car when I pull in and out of the driveway.
THEA KEARNEY: It's funny because we have kids now, and I don't know if this is what happens with you, Nancy, but our kids are like, "We don't want to listen to that loud rock music, turn it down!" They want to hear this weird electronic stuff. Some of it I actually like, but some of it is like, well, there's no melody. There's no real instruments. I'm just so used to... I think Nancy would probably say the same thing. We just grew up listening to live musicians playing live instruments, so that's what we tend to gravitate towards.
For first-time listeners, how would you describe the sound of your album, and who are your personal musical influences? Who did you draw inspiration from?
NANCY COOK: That’s a really hard question because I have so many musical heroes and people I look up to, but I think with this project, in particular, I think we were kind of going for... Sonia mentioned earlier about the 70s, that we kind of have a 70s influence. I kind of think that we were kind of thinking, or at least maybe I was thinking, about The Runaways and Blondie and just kind of like that old school beginning, powerful female sound and rock and roll, but with kind of a punk and indie aspect to it. A little bit less pop-y than Blondie and Joan.
I also really love punk and a lot of the ‘90s bands, so I was probably thinking about that. A lot of the music that came out of Washington D.C. like Slant 6 and bands from Olympia and NY…
THEA KEARNEY: Yeah, we're both like punk rockers, right?
NANCY COOK: Yeah! I mean, I love all the punk rock. I love Agnostic Front. Thea and I were like, "We should write a song that kind of sounds a little like an Agnostic Front song” and we could totally do that, but I wasn’t looking to make a sound that came from men. I was thinking more about women in this project.
THEA KEARNEY: I'm actually glad you went first because I completely forgot where my inspiration was in the beginning for this whole idea of starting a band that would be an all-female band.
I guess part of it was the desire to... because I've been in other bands before, and I was in a local Maplewood band called Dollar Store Riot with all guys that I played in for about six years, and then I decided that it was just time for me to close that chapter of my life, and so I'd always wanted to have an all-female band.
I'd had a couple of false starts in the past when I was still living in the city, and I have a friend that I went to high school with, actually, which you may have heard of, Sindi B.. She was in this band called The Lunachicks. We hung out in the NYHC, the New York hardcore scene when it first started in about ‘81-84. Our misspent youth was spent doing that and we both bought our first electric guitars at the same time. I was the goody-two-shoes. I went off to college and just did what was expected of me and she didn't. She quit, dropped out of college, and formed this band. I always wanted to do the same thing, and so I was just like,"Well, Nancy, why don't we just try starting an all-female band? I've always wanted to have an all-female band. Let's just have a go for fun."
At the beginning, it was just the two of us, and then we started writing together, and then eventually we found the drummer, CJ, and then we found Kristy.
It was just all those influences from The Donnas, The Ramones, all the punk rock I listened to, DISCHORD, all of that stuff. The Flex Your Head album, I still have. That was on permanent rotation when I was a teenager. All of that. Then all the newer stuff, too, became an influence. One of the songs has kind of a My Bloody Valentine influence.
I feel like every song on this album is a little different. We didn't really set out to have a particular sound on every one. It was just like, "Let's write a song." One song was a Ramones kind of idea that I had that we put lyrics to, and then another one was like, "Let's just write a shoegaze song." So we kind of just went in that direction.
NANCY COOK: One has kind of like a Juliana Hatfield feel. It's got a totally different vibe, too. They all have a different vibe.
We still haven't covered all our bases. We could just keep going, with all the different sounds that we like. We actually have on our Spotify a mixtape of bands that we like and the influences.
We also worked on some covers and things that we liked, like the White Stripes was one of them that we liked, and we were working on a cover of that song, and who else were we covering?
THEA KEARNEY: Social Distortion and Ex Hex.
NANCY COOK: Oh yeah, I love Mary Timony. I just watched her live performance at St. Marks. It was amazing. She's so talented. She's definitely an influence for me, for sure.
You mentioned a little bit about your creative process. For the songs on your album, did you start with the music, the melody, the lyrics?
NANCY COOK: For "Pretty Dresses," I had a lot of the melody written, and then I wrote the lyrics, Thea added more lyrics and arrangements, and then we put it together. All the songs have their own story.
"Everybody Wants to Be a Rock Star" started with the answering machine message that starts the song. It comes from a Village Voice ad that someone answered when Thea was looking for musicians, and so that was the starting point for that song.
"Iridescent Sparks" is about text messaging. That's such a big part of our culture now and just how people communicate mostly.
The other one, the shoegaze one, "Swirling Rose Hips Tea," My Bloody Valentine was the influence for that.
The last one, "Piece of Cake," is sort of, everyone wants to get a piece of cake and eat it, too. It's like, “I want to have it all. Why can't I have it all? Let's try to have it all!” You know? So, the surprise inside is like the Mardi Gras cake that you break up and there's supposed to be a little toy in the cake. It's like, "Ooh, a little surprise!"
THEA KEARNEY: You know, it's funny, it wasn't supposed to be about cake. That became the metaphor because we were writing it right around Mardi Gras time, and we were talking about how we should really write a song, like a hardcore song, like Agnostic Front or something, and it didn't really come out like that in the end, but it came out to be something different, but it started from this discussion. We would just sit down and brainstorm this idea and write all these ideas down and then condense it into a song, because, as you know, you can't put everything in one song.
NANCY COOK: Yeah. Some of our notes for our songs are really amusing. We should dig those up! They were really funny.
Where did you record your album? Who did you record with? What was that process like?
THEA KEARNEY: Originally, we were getting ready to play a show in June (2020), a live show. We had been practicing. We had a bunch of covers and originals. At that point, we had enough to do a show, and so we were like, “Yeah, let's just play a little local show” because Nancy likes to book a lot of local bands, and so we were getting ready for that, and it's supposed to be in June, and this was like February of 2020 and then, obviously, the pandemic put a lid on that, and then we were like, "Oh, what are we going to do?" and so I suggested, "Instead of doing a show, why don't we make an EP?"
I thought, "We'll just find a studio, we'll go and get somebody to do that." I called a few places and they're like, "Well, I don't know if we can help you, but maybe, but we’re not sure what's going to happen" because it was literally a couple of weeks before they declared it a global pandemic and everything just was like dominoes falling. It's like, everything is closing and then that's it, and so then I was like, "Oh, OK, what are we going to do?"
In all my years of doing music, I had dabbled in mixing before. I had done Pro Tools and recording. I was a little rusty, but I was like, "Well, you know, I think I can figure it out." We didn't have anybody to help us. We didn't really have a lot of money to be forking out either, and everything was closed, so what are we going to do? So, I was like, "We'll just record from home, and we can figure out what equipment we need."
I spoke to Kristy (Ranieri), and we originally thought we were going to use electronic drums because CJ had some electronic drums at home. So, we tried with that. We were recording the guitars and the vocals, and it was going pretty well, but then we got to the point where we figured out how to do the electronic drums and she sent us the recording and we were like, "No, the symbols just sound... It just didn't sound good." It was like, "No, this isn't going to work."
So, we have a local person that we work with, Laughing Boys Recording's Tom Lucas. He's really great. A lot of people record with him. We didn't think he was open, but then we said, "Well, what if it was just CJ?" CJ went in with a mask and they sanitized everything, and she just went in by herself to do the drums. At first, she was kind of nervous about the whole idea, but then she said she would do it, and so she went in and recorded. I prepared all the tracks for her and sent them to Tom, and then she went in.
We thought it was going to take, like, two days or something. She was just so amazing, she did all five songs in one day. I was like, "Wow!" Then Tom Lucas sent me the tracks and then we just continued on from there. We did a back and forth with GarageBand and Logic. Kristy and Nancy bought an interface so that they could literally record on their iPhones, so they actually recorded the songs on their iPhones.
NANCY COOK: Yeah, Kristy and I recorded on our iPhones. It’s remarkable and we should be really proud of it!
THEA KEARNEY: It was pretty amazing. I would send them the tracks through iCloud, put the tracks in GarageBand, give them a track to record to, and then they would record to that, send it back to me, and then I would combine everything in Logic and record my parts in there, line it all up, and then mix it. It was pretty daunting. I actually got somebody else to help us a little bit -- a guy out in California, Mike from MooseCat Recording. They have a virtual studio, and they were just getting started with that because of the pandemic. I guess they used to do everything in-person but because they're out in Los Angeles and they needed to keep things running, they started offering virtual services. So I was like, "Oh, great!" So they helped with some of the mixing on a couple of the songs, but most of them I did all the mixing on, so I learned a lot this year -- a whole lot. I think we all learned a lot.
NANCY COOK: She worked very hard!
THEA KEARNEY: I mean, it was pretty daunting, but, oh my God, we did it! We all figured it out. Nancy and Kristy were like, "I don't know how to record on my phone," but with my help, they figured it out and they did it.
NANCY COOK: Yeah, and Thea went in her closet to sing vocals, and I went in my garage. I actually have a vocal booth in my garage. So I went into my garage, and it was kind of fun. I got a little kid lawn chair, my microphone, and sang away, too.
THEA KEARNEY: Whatever it takes, right? I mean, we had to really be creative.
NANCY COOK: I've always liked the DIY approach. I'm always DIY.
THEA KEARNEY: Yeah, me too. It's to a fault, though, because sometimes it's exhausting doing everything yourself.
NANCY COOK: Well, Thea just cut her hair very well. DIY haircut.
THEA KEARNEY: Yeah, that's another story. Ha!
There's a lot to be said for doing things yourself. You learn so much from doing things yourself. Like I learned a lot about haircutting, cutting my own hair. So yeah, it's amazing.
Is there anyone who you'd like to give a shout out to, whether it's other artists or bands, venues, favorite restaurants that are closed, businesses, or anyone who you think deserves some attention during this unusual time?
NANCY COOK: I think we should give a shout-out to Michelle from Bone Pool Radio, who is one of our friends. She has a radio station in town. She would be an amazing person for you to interview. She's awesome. She always wanted a radio station, and I don't know exactly what year it started, I want to say it was 2018, and she and a few other partners started it. A lot of the people in town including Thea's husband DJ for it, and they pre-record their shows and she broadcasts them. There's a bunch of DJs in town and it was bought by iHeartRadio, and yeah, it's been a really amazing ride for her. So that's my shout-out.
THEA KEARNEY: That’s good that you did that because I was going to shout-out one of the DJs, Donny Levit, because he was the first one to premiere a Megasparkle song on the radio. So I want to shout out to him and, obviously, all the other DJs on Bone Pool Radio. I don't know if they've played our music, but I'll give a shout-out to them as well!
NANCY COOK: Paul played "Pretty Dresses." Donny played a couple of them.
THEA KEARNEY: Also, Tom Lucas from Laughing Boys Recording. He really gave us a lot of helpful feedback and guidance, especially with recording the drum parts and how to get that done, so shout-out to him.
And then shout-out to MooseCat Recording.
NANCY COOK: And our bandmates who aren't here!
THEA KEARNEY: Of course our bandmates, for being willing to do all this from home, being willing to try that out and do that.
NANCY COOK: We have a lot of great local businesses to shout-out.
THEA KEARNEY: All the local businesses. There's been so many great supportive local places, like Rent Party. We never got to play Rent Party, but they've always been really supportive of local musicians. They do a lot of help for the community. They used to put on live shows with local bands and also international traveling acts and raise money for food-insecure families. So they're a really great organization here. And then The Woodland, they have a lot of shows.
NANCY COOK: The Woodland and Wyoming Club.
I used to do a lot of shows at Maplewood Mercantile when I worked there and was the Event Planner, so we can shout-out them because they're really very supportive of the music community.
THEA KEARNEY: All the teachers that ever taught me how to play, helped me play guitar, and my vocal teacher, Tim Welch. I'll give a shout-out to him. He's an excellent vocal teacher. He's got a local studio here in Maplewood. I think he's got franchises now. He's a really, really excellent teacher. Who else can we shout-out?
NANCY COOK: We could shout-out you, Thea, for doing all that hard work mixing! Let's give credit where credit's due, right?
THEA KEARNEY: Thank you to everybody.
NANCY COOK: Thank you to all of our supporters and our friends.
THEA KEARNEY: Thank you to everyone I've ever met or ever known in my entire life.
NANCY COOK: Ha!
THEA KEARNEY: And Mom and Dad, of course.
Finally, where/how can people connect with you?
THEA KEARNEY: We're available on all streaming platforms -- Spotify, Apple Music, Pandora. We have a Spotify playlist. Plus, we have a website. It's megasparkleband.com. Bandcamp, Instagram, Facebook. We also have some T-shirts for sale on Bandcamp.
NANCY COOK: We also had a poster that showcases our band at i19gallery.com.
It was an online gallery. They started doing art shows when the pandemic hit, and we decided that we would pass around this old red phone of mine that I've had for years. It was a promo for "Everybody Wants to Be a Rock Star" because that's the starting point, with the answering machine message. We all took pictures of us with the phone -- they look like they're in slides -- and then the red telephone cord just slashes through the whole collage, which is kind of like the pandemic interfering with our lives. Actually, I really love it. I think it came out really good.
THEA KEARNEY: It was cool because we kind of combined... It was like a multipurpose thing because Nancy and I, we originally met because we both have backgrounds in multiple artistic areas, like visual arts and music. There was a call for art made during COVID, by the organization Good Crowd Events. I was like, hey, we were already doing the phone idea for what was going to be the cover for "Everybody Wants to Be a Rock Star." We designed all of the song covers. We did all those ourselves back and forth. I did a couple of the covers, Nancy designed a couple of those, and one of them was this idea that Nancy actually had the phone and she said, "Well, why don’t we take pictures with this?" and I was like, "Well, why don't we enter it in this art show and it will serve two purposes? It'll be for the cover and it'll be for this collage."
It was during the pandemic, and so we had to clean the phone off and then drop it at one person's house, and then they would clean it off and take photos and then drop it at the next person's house, and that's how we got all the photographs. It was like, you know, this is how we communicate during a pandemic — passing the phone around, and also we can only communicate on the phone. So, it was like the whole concept of that just kind of came together really well.
PORTAL by -cideways (Album/Music Video Release)
By Sonia Schnee | Posted Monday, August 23, 2021
While Hurricane Henri raged outside on the evening of August 21, Northern NJ prog-rock band -cideways was cozied up at Backroom Studios in Rockaway with a select group of fans as it hosted its long-awaited album/music film release show.
As the group’s Facebook event page describes:
‘PORTAL’ is a 9-song instrumental prog-rock album with an accompanying music short film that takes viewers on an audio-visual adventure through space and time over the course of 48 minutes […]
-cideways is the brainchild of guitarist Dominick DeNegri, who was tragically taken from us a few years ago. After Dom's passing, bassist Joshua Sigmund, guitarist Greg Miller, and drummer Darren Kelly vowed to finish what Dom started. Finally, we are proud to release that vision.
I spoke with bassist/video editor Joshua Sigmund during the final days of PORTAL’s production to learn about the story behind the band, their creative process, and how they’ve chosen to honor their late band member, Dom.
Don’t forget to check out the full audio/visual experience by watching the YouTube video above, as well as checking out Spotify and other streaming platforms.
Tell us about PORTAL and the audio/visual journey you’re taking us on.
The album has 9 songs, whose names create the sentence: “Time Machine In A Black Hole In The Center Of A Spiral Galaxy, We Opened A Portal To Another Place In Another Time, Where We Had Been With All Of Our Friends.” Each song is enhanced with a unique video with imagery that follows its sonic theme, such as a Back to the Future tribute in “Time Machine”, to a tribute to Dom in “Where We Had Been.” There are running easter eggs and hidden foreshadows and connections throughout the short film that really flow when watched sequentially (Keep an eye out for 5 “portal glitches” throughout the film).
The last song, “With All Of Our Friends,” is actually a medley of the other 8 songs, so any given part might feature, for example, a bass part from “In The Center Of” mixed with a synth part from “In Another Time”. That was an interesting creative challenge, as we had to pick out our favorite elements throughout the album, and then transpose them all to the same key and tempo in order for it to sound cohesive.
What is the origin story of -cideways, and what has the writing process been like for PORTAL?
-cideways is the brainchild of Dominick DeNegri, who started the band more than five years ago, with guitarist Greg Miller. Over the years, -cideways went through two bass players before I joined after meeting Dom at a party, and a few months later, we replaced drummer Brian Pedersen with Darren Kelly.
By that point, we were sounding really tight and we were really excited about working on this album. Then one night, Dom is heading home in an Uber and started to feel sick. He told the driver to pull over and the driver pulled over, but not far enough. Dom got out of the car on the wrong side and got hit by a passing car. I get a call the next morning from Greg saying, "Dom's gone."
After losing Dom, we decided — Greg, myself, and Darren — that we're going to finish this album with the songs we had been working on, and then the band would be over and we'd move on to something else because there's so much of Dom in the music, and Greg, to his great credit, recorded Dom's guitar parts pretty accurately to how he originally wrote them (even the lines we didn’t love… well, some of them haha).
So that was two and a half years ago, and so we've just been working, working, working on this thing, meticulously composing every note, every beat, every running theme.
We had gotten as far as tracking the bass and drums for the first 8 songs, but then COVID hit, and everything just kind of came to a halt. While I kept myself busy listening to the demos of the songs over and over and over again and coming up with ideas for the videos, Greg spent the pandemic focusing on upping his audio production skills, and he got really, really good at it. So while I thought we were dead in the water, he'd actually been working on the songs. One day a few months ago he invites me over, and surprises me with really great-sounding cuts of the songs. We were back on track!
How would you describe your sound?
It's riffy and hard without being just noise. It's also super melodic and dynamic and dance-y enough that even if you don’t typically listen to this type of progressive instrumental music, I like to think that it's approachable to everybody. Really, it’s just fun music that I think everyone from music theory junkies like myself to casual listeners hopefully will enjoy.
Every song’s a little different. For example, the first track, “Time Machine” is a pretty straight-forward rock song with a mid-song twist. The third song, “In The Center Of,” contains heavy riffs that are as hard as almost anything else out there (again, without being what I just call “noise”), while the sixth song, “To Another Place,” is a complex melodic composition featuring orchestral parts that create a lot of emotion, especially for an instrumental song. Then that song is followed by what I call a “palette cleanser” in “In Another Time,” which is a straight-up dance song that I’d like to hear in a club one day.
Song 8, which is "Where We Had Been," is based around this one riff that was the last thing Dom wrote. We hadn’t even begun to write that song when he was killed, so we decided to make it a very short song with the riff reverbing through the whole thing. It's kind of a somber end to the album before you hit the very upbeat ninth song, which is the medley “With All Of Our Friends.” (In fact, the first thing you hear is an uplifting and triumphant 5-note descending major scale, which is a direct contrast to the end of “Where We Had Been,” which ends with a sad 5-note descending minor scale that literally collapses on itself before flatlining.)
We wanted to take people on an emotional yet fun adventure through space and time, and we hope people get as much out of it as we put into it.
Why did you decide to make music videos for all the songs?
We decided to make videos because we wanted to keep people’s attention through 48 minutes of non-vocal, relatively complex music. Speaking to the other musicians out there, I’m sure everyone has experienced trying to show a friend something you’re working on, handing them headphones and asking for just 5 minutes of undivided attention, only to have them – best case scenario – interrupt the flow after 30 seconds to say “hey that’s cool.” So I realized we needed to have some sort of visual element to both make the music a little more approachable and to help people focus on it.
Over not too much time, what started as some broad ideas for videos turned into this detailed thematic music film that really helps tell the story of not only PORTAL, but -cideways as well.
There’s a lot of nostalgia in there (including some… tributes, let’s say… to old movies that resulted in us not being able to monetize the video on YouTube, but we’re fine with that), as well as a good amount of behind-the-scenes clips from the life of -cideways.
How long did it take you to edit all these videos?
Good question… when I get really passion-focused on something, it's like time doesn't really count or matter. Ten hours of editing on one video will go by and I’ll say, "Oh, look at that, it's done." But then I'll come back the next day after taking some notes and find things I want to change. Sometimes I’d spend a whole day trying out an idea that for whatever reason didn’t work and just throw that away. But just like the album, which Greg was working on while I was making the videos, at one point, we had to cap it and just say “after this, it’s done.” So we set ourselves a firm deadline by scheduling the album release party, and of course we ended up making final edits to both the music and film only hours before showtime!
The name of your band, -cideways. Is there a story behind the name and the spelling and the origin of that?
Yeah. So that's all on Dom. Think about it as the suffix, so sui-cide, homi-cide, regi-cide, infanti-cide, all those things like that, so it's (hyphen)-cideways. It's a little Emo for me, but Dom was pretty Emo haha.
But really, -cideways has its own history that's bigger than anyone in it, which is pretty interesting to be a part of. There have been seven people who have come and gone through the band, and more have been auxiliary to it, so yeah, it's been quite the ride and we’re just so happy it’s done so we can move on to something new finally.
Tell us about the album cover.
It’s based on this drawing of a portal over the ocean that Dom drew, and at some point it just became the cover. There's always been this kind of “space and time” theme so it really fit.
How do you feel about everything coming to an end — or a beginning, for some people who this is going to be completely new to?
I'm really excited for people to hear the album and see the film. We’re really happy with how it sounds and we’re really happy with how the videos look. We've been working on this thing for so long, it's just crazy to think that it's finally done. Darren, Greg, and I are really looking forward to playing new music together and not these 9 songs that we've been working on for more than three years. The absolute last riff on “With All Of Our Friends” is a teaser from the first song of the next project that the three of us are working on, Clever Monkey. So after about 6 minutes of familiar melodies, we leave you with something to look forward to, hopefully as much as we are.
Interview with DJ Michael Demby
By Sonia Schnee | Posted Wednesday, November 14, 2018
What's your name, where are you from, where are you based now?
I'm Michael Demby. I grew up in New Providence, NJ and currently live in downtown Jersey City.
Tell us about your work. How would you describe your style? Where do you record/perform? Who are your influences, personally and/or professionally?
Since 1998, I have been a DJ/entertainer and additionally host trivia and karaoke events. I've worked hard at developing a polished and understated approach, while providing a professional “cheese-free” method to announcements and MC work.
My performances are at private events where I am given the privilege to provide music at weddings, bar and bat mitzvahs, birthday parties, corporate events, and more, and can comfortably bounce from retro classics to today's top hits in pop, hip-hop, rock, house, reggae, disco, or whatever will keep guests dancing.
Influence comes from so many different places, but most specifically, those with whom I've worked in the past as well as my family and friends, all whose love of music has always drawn positive attention from anyone around to hear it.
What's the meaning or inspiration behind what you do? How do you want people to feel when they experience your work?
It is hard to explain, but the drive behind what I do can be summed up by the special feeling I get when clients realize that their event is going to be fun, unique, and different. I have received some of the most touching words of thanks and detailed insight about why my DJ services were chosen out of so many other great options.
I want people to feel relaxed and comfortable, knowing that I love working with each client to truly personalize every aspect for one of the greatest day in their life.
Tell us a little bit about yourself. How did you get started with music? What's been your personal journey? Are there any artists, bands, or producers who you'd love to collaborate with one day?
I grew up in a house where music was always on, which offered a unique education and prepared me for playing an instrument, the Alto Sax, which I still play to this day. At 16, I started taking dancing lessons to impress some girls and during a party, my skills at leading a large group were noticed by the DJ. He then brought me on be a motivational dancer, explained some of the basics, put on the Electric Slide, and said "Okay, now go out there and get people up dancing!"
I would love to run the world's largest game of Coke and Pepsi one day — that would be so much fun!
What words of advice or encouragement would you give to someone who wants to follow a similar passion, or is maybe facing obstacles similar to what you've faced?
Learn as much as you can from someone whom you consider to be an expert and sees what makes you unique. Then take that characteristic and make a living with it!
What's next on the horizon for you? Do you have any shows/events coming up?
December is right around the corner, and I'll be busy with holiday parties! If anyone reading this is in need of music for a holiday event, feel free to reach out and I'd be happy to offer a Jersey Indie 20% discount :-)
Finally, how can people find and connect with you online?
You can find more info on my website, or feel free to connect with me via Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter.
Interview with Darryl Joo of Project BWQ
By Sonia Schnee | Posted Friday, August 10, 2018
Project BWQ is an indie/alt/rock band based out of northern NJ. On August 2nd, they released the official music video for their single, "Phosphene." Check out our interview with Project BWQ founder Darryl Joo, below.
What’s your name, where are you from originally, and where are you based now?
My name is Darryl Joo. I was born in Korea, and now I’m based out of North Jersey; my musical life is primarily based out of Hoboken and Jersey City.
Congrats on the release of your new music video, “Phosphene.” It’s gorgeous-looking! What was the process like of making the music video? Where was it filmed?
Thank you so much! I’m absolutely thrilled with the video; a lot of love and dedication went into its creation. This was my first time working on a music video, so it was a lot of learning for me. The opening/closing scenes were filmed in Hoboken, NJ, with the rooftop scenes taking place over at the studio building (where I practice, and also where Silver Horse Sound is located – that’s where I recorded my debut album). The “dream sequence” was filmed at NLK Studio in Jersey City, which is operated by Jack (bassist) and Courtney.
It was a challenge being in front of a camera. I don’t really enjoy having pictures taken of me, so being filmed in front of a camera with an enormous lens looking directly into my eyes was very uncomfortable.
Otherwise, what a blast – we booked out a day at the studio for everyone to drop in at different times, hang out, and shoot their parts. It was a lot of coordination and effort, but the people involved made it painless and fun.
Was this your first time working with Director/Producer Courtney Collins?
Not my first time, no. We had a live outdoors shoot in November of 2017 where she filmed a short set of music. It was very different from filming the music video, though. We also worked together for our first photo shoot as a band.
Tell us about your music. How would you describe your style? Who are your influences? Is there anyone who you'd love to collaborate with one day?
I would describe my style as “varied,” but Max (guitar) describes my sound as “progressive singer-songwriter.” I try to actively avoid falling into a genre of sound. Exploring different types of music and different soundscapes brings me a lot of joy; the songs on the album range from quiet acoustic-guitar driven folk rock all the way to jazz fusion and alt metal. I do my best to put a fingerprint on each song so they don’t feel disparate – rather, each song is just an exploration of genre within the context of my voice.
I draw deeply from classical music (Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninoff), but I also listen to jazz and rock (Miles Davis, Wes Montgomery, Radiohead, Jeff Buckley). I don’t really have training by way of any of that, though, so I’m taking the sounds and putting my own take on them.
I would love to collaborate with Thom Yorke. I think he’s busy, though. I’ll shoot him a message and see if his schedule opens up at all, but I get the sense that he’s busy. Also, I don’t think he knows I exist.
What was the inspiration behind your debut album American Ghost? How do you hope people will feel when they listen to it?
A lot of lonely nights went into writing the songs on American Ghost, but there is an equal measure of wanting to connect with people and actually making those connections happen. There is no hidden inspiration to the album. The album was a necessity – it just needed to happen, no more and no less. It’s a snapshot into the fiber of my existence at a very specific and transitory moment in my life.
I hope that people listen to the album and feel camaraderie with their neighbors. I hope that sad people listen to the album and know that someone shares in their pain. I hope that lonely people listen to the album and feel a little less alone in the world. I hope that happy people listen to the album and recognize that there are people in pain around them. And I hope that people who have lost all hope listen to the album and walk away feeling renewed.
What has your personal journey been like? When did you discover that you loved music? I read that you were a teacher at one point. What did you teach, and do you find any similarities between teaching and making music?
I’ve loved music for as long as I can remember. Music always made sense to me.
Numbers and figures also made sense to me, so I thought I was going to be a doctor – since a career in music is for the irresponsible.
Turns out, I’m also pretty irresponsible. I was a middle school math teacher for about 3 years, and at some point along the line, I realized that as much as I loved my students and loved teaching (something else I’ve always enjoyed), I was completely miserable not making music.
And of course, there are connections between teaching and making music. For me, that connection is about finding the best way to relay information and sentiment to another person. Each song, like every good lesson, has a hook, an introduction, a development, and conclusion with a clear goal in mind at each step of the way. It’s a bit murkier with music, obviously, but the connections are there.
The most useful things for me, though, have been the organizational skills, the work ethic, and the ability to visualize various scenarios and think up contingency plans – all of which I developed as a teacher.
What do you think of the music scene in Hoboken/Jersey City?
I love the community. My first time stepping up to deliver a live performance of my own music was just 2 years ago at a local open mic. I still can’t believe I only met these people between 1-2 years ago. I feel like I’ve known them for ages; I feel like I’ve found a family, and they’ve taken me in as one of their own.
It’s vibrant, supportive, and filled to the brim with love and talent. You won’t find that in many other places, if at all. I know I’m new to all of this, but I know there’s something special there. I’d like for more people to be aware of it.
Do you have any shows coming up?
Yes! We’ve got our first little tour put together. 8/15 we’re at The Fire in Philly, 8/16 at The Brighton Bar in Long Branch, 8/17 at The Pompei Lounge in Staunton, VA, 8/18 at Roofer’s Union in DC, and 8/19 we’re settling down in Abingdon, VA to connect with some friends.
Where can people find you online? (Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Soundcloud, Bandcamp, Spotify, YouTube, etc.?)
People can find us here:
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/projectbwq
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/projectbwq
Soundcloud: https://www.soundcloud.com/projectbwq
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ8wD0OBLocLhzC2ntRCT7Q
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6shPUIVIALcy89GUCLMQVc?si=k_7ROcUrRyKJJfcdkh4IWQ